Are the networks and reporters ready to tackle the issues? When are they going to start talking about, “Ismail Ax?”
This was written across the murderer’s hand. The news have reported on everything, assignment papers, counseling, friends, where he came from, his family, guns, etc. BUT what about the inscription on his hand!
The name Ismail refers to a prophet’s name in Islam.
Was this murderer a follower of Islam or influence by Islamic teaching? Maybe, perhaps, no, yes, the news need to report on it and someone needs to investigate.
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The words Ismail Ax never appear together in the Koran, only the name of the prophet Ismail. We know who Ismail is but what does the Ax stand for?? It was important enough for the nut to put on his arm so it is important enough to try to understand. The word Ax(my refrence is the Electronic Text Center Of Virginia’s version of the Koran) isn’t even in the entire Koran. This leads me to believe that it is not a Islamist statement but a literary one. the name Ismail as the news is spelling it does not appear in the Bible at all. So i think we need to get off the Biblical and Islamist trail and onto another one. I read that maybe it was a refrence to a book written by James Fenimore cooper called the prairie but i can’t find where in that book the refrence is. It makes sense because he was an English major and would have had to read the book. I think we need to realize that he spelled the name a certian way and that he added the word Ax so it means something to him and we might never know what the real meaning is. I think we try to blame Muslims for lots of things like this when we all know very well that is is the work of Satan and his demons but the kid still had to pull the trigger. It was his fault and his fault alone and that is the power of free will that God has given us.
In Christ,
Ryan
Ismail was the son of Abraham… and unless you’re an absolutely illiterate backwater red-neck from hicksville, you would know that abraham’s the root religious figure in judaism and christianity, not just in islam.
furthermore, Cho said he died like CHRIST in his OWN video that he mailed to MSNBC.
so he was … ahem… what? a christian terrorist now? kind of stupid to say that huh? just like it’s stupid to call a muslim a terrorist.
here’s the detailed proof:
http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/ismail-ax-and-the-virginia-massacre/
Look up the author Ismail Kadare. He has written some books about the wealthy and the oppressed…something like Dead Man’s Army. Maybe Cho thought he was Ismail’s ax??!
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There is no such thing as a Muslim terrorist, just Muslim.
A faithful Muslim will follow his prophet. And his prophet goes around killing innocent women and children.
009:029: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
More verses from the Koran,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1128382/posts
Salahudin,
Ishmael is not regarded at all in Judaism or Christianity. Only in Islam would he be considered prophethood. Bad reasoning, you must be an uneducated arab from arabville.
It is stupid to say that there is a Christian terrorist because Jesus Christ never taught anyone to murder or rape. Judaistic terrorist would be stupid as well.
I would also agree that it is stupid for anyone to use the term Muslim terrorist, they are referred to as Muslim only!
A Muslim must follow what his prophet does.
Allow me to be a mirror to your face, shoebat:
“There is no such thing as a Christian terrorist. Just Christian:
Deut 13-15: “you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it and all that is in it and its cattle with the edge of the sword.” source: http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/13-15.htm”
but oops! out of context! just like your verse from the quran!
read this, islamophobe:
http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/how-islam-is-not-evil/
and this:
http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/04/03/in-defence-of-islam-nay-to-the-islamophobes/
lamant: it depends on your interpretation!
read this article, as it shows you how anyone can prove EQUALLY AS WELL that cho was influenced by CHRISTIANITY:
http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/ismail-ax-and-the-virginia-massacre/
and i’m not even muslim.
i’m actually agnostic and PROUD OF IT.
so you can’t even level the charge of bias against me.
salahudin, if you are an agnostic you should be learning and not making statements! Agnostic means ignoramus in latin therefore you are an ignorant person according to your own words.
the problem with your quotation from Deuteronomy is it is under a theocratic rule.
the Christians don’t have a problem with that passage. your contention than would be with the Judaism.
you have a muslim name, were you formerly a muslim? assuming you were, have you renounced Islam since you are an agnostic now?
Do you know the penalty for anyone to leave Islam? Death!
If you were a former Muslim, try going back to where ever Muslimland you were from and see if you were to be sentenced.
“Do you know the penalty for anyone to leave Islam? Death!”
according to the majority of islamic “scholars”, yes it means death. i’m well aware of it.
and yes i know agnostic means “ignorant” and i’m happy to be aware that i AM ignorant, unlike those who think they know what they’re talking about.
namely misquoting the quran like you just did. that’s why i showed you the bible quote.
your quranic quote needs to be taken in the historical context, which is: it was “revealed” to the arab muslims in relation to their PEACE treaty with a certain non-muslim group. therefore it applies only to that particular group. and guess what? i believe it’s just as barbaric as your “christian sword” verse.
but at least lets put things into context hm? all three abrahamic religions have SERIOUS dementia issues, but let’s not fall into bigotry by blindly and unfairly bashing them by misrepresenting their doctrine.
their actual doctrine is bad enough. no need to misinterpret it
Wow,
I don’t pay attention to this blog here and all these comments…how did these people post anonymously?
The reason that Abraham is a root figure in Islam and Christianity is because Muslims not only use the Koran as a divine writing but they also use the Torah. The Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament, Genisis thru Deuteronomy. So there will be many ties between Jews, Christians and Muslims. Taking versus of scripture out of their context is not the way to prove or disprove any religion. Cho was obviousally a disturbed kid that was in need of serious help. He was in no way influenced by true Christianity I know that for a fact. Besides all this i don’t see anywhere in these blogs where anything was stated saying that Cho was a Muslim Terrorist. I know that I didnt say it. If anyone would like to know why I believe in Jesus Christ as my saviour go ahead and ask but i will not get into a “pissing” match with you. i just have one question for you salahudin, what do you mean by “serious dementia issues”?
In Christ,
Ryan
Salahudin,
By the way, you are the only one here who claimed to be an agnostic therefore it is not wrong for anyone to make their statements forcefully (without the presupposition of being an agnostic).
If you are a happy “ignorant” (according to you own word), why do you claimed to know or understand what you have just asserted? Its inconsistent.
You know that leaving Islam is death for you and you know of what Muslim scholars agree upon. Interestingly, you would take that verse to mean death for leaving Islam but claimed that the other commentator quoted and applied the Quranic verses wrongly.
You have to apply a consistent Islamic hermeneutic to both passages.
Let us take these passages and tell me how we should interpret and apply them?
2:190-193; 2:216; 2:224; 3:157-158; 3:169; 3:195; 4:101
Let me give you a hint, abrogation.
But the doctrine of abrogation is never applied to these texts! Instead the “No Compulsion” verse is abrogated!
Therefore, the texts above is still relevant for modern Muslims.
That is why you have millions of Muslims who read the Quran and are compel by these texts to do jihad. No iman or Islamic scholars believe that these texts are abrogated.
Also, why is there no room for forgiveness or tolerance for a person who decides to leave Islam? Why must death be the only way out if the religion is so peaceful and tolerant? Why must it be death just because a person believes that the religion is absolutely wrong!
Coming now to the Bible on the verse that you have given,
The Christian believes in the doctrine called progressive revelation. Therefore the verses you have quoted do not apply to the Christians. That is why you never hear of a Christian killing in the name of Jesus. (Also, you will never hear of any Jews killing in the name of Yahweh).
No where do you read in the New Testament do you find the disciples of Jesus commanded to kill or murder for conversion. They never seized lands or take women as booties.
The small write up on this blog contains questions to what “Ismail Ax” refers to, no need to used racial sarcasms in your first comment.
Ryan, thanks for staying on focus without the name calling.
no prob
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