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Mocking Blasphemer: Tomorrow marks the failure of another biblical prophesy but anyways those who believe that they may be zapped up to heaven tomorrow.

SLIMJIM: How is it a failed bible prophecy of the bible does not say May 21 2011 is the end?

Mocking Blasphemer: Bro, the guy clearly has been a devout christian for his life, even been ordained as a pastor to preach at his church,,, so he must had devoted his whole life reading the bible avidly, doing what he suppose to,,, and he must had thought he had some sort of spiritual revelation when he finally decided to annouce his prediction to the media,,, and other numerous accounts that people had taken the bible too seriously and became scums of the society such as westboro church, and as well as the incident that transpired in Texas yrs back, a group of christians quoted from revelation believing that revelation points out the apocalyse been imminent, barricaded themselves and their children in a basement for months,,, just saying I do agree that certain passages in the bible are beneficial and all, but there are some quite elusive in particular the ones in old testament and revelation,,, you know there are people out there who just take them too seriously and may had misinterprected them thinking the passages are advocating violence.

Mocking Blasphemer: to name one there is the seven plagues in Egypt, along with the carnage of the first borns,,,, I think that passage may be fictitious reason been if god is really omnipotent, capable of creating and destroying lives, then what d…idnt he just chastised the Egyptians with 7 plagues alone, why did he had to go as far as creating those new babies in the wombs and wait till they were delivered then killed them what is trying to prove that he could take any sort of measures to instill fear in peoples’ heart, as far as killling babies… And to me it is a paradox especially when u continued to other passages, and those other ones just depicted him as a loving, merciful, and caring I leave that to you bro

SLIMJIM: I love you dearly which makes this more painful to say but I think when people become atheists it seems they get more irrational than rational. I think if I’ve saved all our conversations with all the logical fallacies you’ve committed… I can make a short text book on logical fallacies. If you are going to call this another failed biblical prophecy the burden of proof is on you to show where May 21st, 2011 appear in the Bible as a rebutting defeater towards my claim that the Bible does not give this date! This is your rational obligation upon you to back your claim. Rather than take this direction you went ahead to commit an ad hominem fallacy which I quote in follows: “bro, the guy clearly has been a devout christian for his life, even been ordained as a pastor to preach at his church,,, so he must had devoted his whole life reading the bible avidly, doing what he suppose to,,, and he must had thought he had some sort of spiritual revelation when he finally decided to annouce his prediction to the media,,,” What an ad hominem fallacy is when an argument is given for a conclusion based on a premise or set of premises concerning the individual character when it’s irrelevant to the conclusion or subject at hand. Assuming for the sake of argument that it’s true that Harold Camping (the name of the leader of Family Radio, behind this false prophecy) is a devout christian, reads his bible and is an ordained minister…that tells us alot about Harold Camping but not about the date May 21st, 2011 is in the bible! Moreover, I think atheists need to do their homework if they are going to go beyond superficial objections towards Christianity by using silly easy targets like Camping and Westboro (another fallacy committed, of bandwagoning entirety of CHristianity with those fellows…I don’t seem to recall in all my years of talking to hundreds of atheists that they like it when Hitler and Stalin are bandwagoned with their own fellow atheists). It is indicative of atheistic scholarship when they fail to do their homework. Camping is not an ordained minister, he’s left the church I believe in 1988 and since taught that God has left the church when he left the church also (he thinks he took the Holy Spirit along with him the day he stepped out of it). i question your assertion that this guy love to read the Bible or is knowledgeable of it having spent the last couple of weeks listening to audios of him where he can’t answer some very basic questions of Christianity. He might be a nice guy but Camping is not a good person (even then, that is not enough to prove the May 21st date) according to the Biblical framework. The Bible makes it clear that there are false prophets out there and one tests of it is whether or not their pophecies fail. False prophets do not represents Christianity or God, why have a “rational” atheist like you suddenly lose your sense of discernment? Camping made a false prophecy in 1994 and the Bible says that no one should hear someone who claims to make a prophecy that has failed. In Biblical categories, such a person is not a good person despite people’s appeal that “oh, he reads his bible”…to speak when God has not spoken in His Word is to actually be quite arrogant and full of him or herself.
Concerning God’s judgment upon Egypt, I think here you are making a red herring fallacy from my main contention of your assertion that May 21st is a failed biblical prophecy. Since this is a red herring from the topic at hand, I don’t think I’m obligated to address it. But that is not to say that there’s no answer to the alleged dilemma you raised. I think a treatment of it requires more time and length than what I’ve already given! Speaking of which, I’ve just taught our middle school Sunday school kids last week interacting with alleged moral problems in the Bible that atheists give (specifically we evaluated Bertrand Russell as a case study). You should come by and ask them your objections I’d like to see that! But I understand, you don’t want to go to church. All that is to say, it’s not a problem when we discuss your dillemma not in a vaccuum but bring in the entire package of philosophy of ethics, meta-ethics. I’m often sadden at how people who are so bright can be so simple and foolish when it comes to the discussion of worldview and religion and import almost first grade sunday school understanding of Christianity when they refute it.

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