The Word of God does speak on the topic of how one can know whether or not one is a false prophet (one who does not speak from God but speaks presumptuously). Note the following criteria:
“You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’ When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the things does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.” (Deuteronomy 18:21-22)
How will one know that the words of a prophet is not from the LORD? When it does not come about as true.
Again, this is what God’s Word require as a way of testing all prophets and so-called prophets. It is God’s standard for those who claim to speak His name.
The wonderful thing about the internet is that it archives things in a day and age where people’s memory are short and prophetic claims can be easily forgotten as the next wave of sensational prophecies are made, people move on to the next trend, old prophecies are forgotten and not tested with the Word of God.
On Friday, October 13th 2006, Jaeson Ma, a popular young Charismatic preacher, wrote on his blog a post titled “Prepare and Pray-Earthquake coming to LA in my spirit…”
http://jaesonma.blogspot.com/2006/10/prepare-pray-earthquake-coming-to-la.html
He informs his readers that what he is about to write is prophetic:
“Prophetically, I perceive that in Los Angeles something catostrophic, very likely an earthquake of great magnitude will devastate many in this land or region. Let me share…“
And then proceed to share his prophecy of a Tsunami and a very large earthquake will be hitting Los Angeles. How he knows this is because Jaeson Ma claims that God has given him a vision and a dream:
“In early July I was flying back from a trip in Australia into Los Angeles airport. As I looked out the window of my seat, I saw Los Angeles and immediately in a open vision I saw the hills and valley of Los Angeles rolling and the cities being crushed. I was a bit shocked at seeing this vision, I kept it in my heart and prayed. That same night I had a very vivid dream where I saw once again the hills and valleys of Los Angeles county rolling up and down, the city being flattened and devastated, then I saw a large tsunami waves crashing over areas of Los Angeles and many peoples being wiped out. When I woke up I was shaken but also bewildered because I didnt think a tsunami type disaster would be possible in LA.“
It was not just twice that Jaeson Ma claimed to have this truth revealed from God to him. Afterwards, God gave him another dream:
“About three weeks ago I had another very vivid dream. In this dream I was in a coastal beach are of Los Angeles. I was in a house near the beach with a loved one, when suddenly I looked out the large window doors of our home from the kitchen and saw MASSIVE WAVES the size of mountains approaching the beach and city area. I looked out, said look at that, we must get out of here! We started running out the house, scrambling. When we got out of the house, there were masses of people running over each other everywhere, all different ethnicities and then the waves hit, many people drowned, but by Gods grace we were able to get out of the devastation alive. “
And then another dream from God:
“Now, this morning I woke up at about 4:30am shaken by another series of dreams. In this dream I was with a friend and we had ran to a supply store in LA asking to get in, because we were hungry and without necessities. By grace the supply store nearly closed, but they let us in to get perishable foods and survival supplies. Then the scene changed and I was in my house when all of a sudden a large bull dozer type machine came crashing into the house, crushing the walls and leveling the entire home. By Gods grace, I was able to get out of the home, but had to run back in to grab some of my belongings, particularly one of my sandals. “
And still another dream:
“Lastly, the day after I received the massive tsunami dream. I had another dream where students from our church at UCLA were on the Santa Monica piere, it looked like there were deep, dark blue waves crashing into the beach, it wasn’t a tsunami but they were rough waves and very cold. Some students were jumping in head on and swam through the crashing waves to the other side of the waters where it was calm. I was afraid to, but as others went in, I went in also. I sensed this dream could have been a call to press through, not be afraid of what is to come because God is on our side, but to embrace what judgment may come, trust God and know that we will overcome by His strength and grace. “
Apparently Jaeson Ma’s friends also had dreams that confirm this upcoming Tsunami were judgment of God upon LA:
“This last week, at one of our sister churches prayer meeting, a missionary from world vision joined the prayer meeting not knowing anything about these prophetic dreams of judgment. She randomly felt led to share with the leaders that recently she had a dream where she saw large waves crashing into the campus of UCLA and they were not waves of revival, they were something catostrophic. She then said she saw the campus completely flooded and one of the large buildings (a parkings structure) completely toppled over. When she shared this- our leaders were shocked. She shared this the same week, just days before we did our prayer strike at UCLA this past weekend (Sat) with a large gathering of students.“
Now when are these earthquakes and Tsunami in Los Angeles to take place? For Jaeson Ma and his friends in 2006, it was certain that it was going to happen soon.
How soon? After one of Ma’s many prophetic dreams of the impending Tsunami, the next morning a friend called him up sharing how his wife who had a prophetic dream and it left him depressed. The reason was because this lady allegedly had a precedence of being very accurate with her dreams, such as her dream a week before 9-11. Therefore, since she had this tsunami dream, it was understood as very imminent:
“When I woke up I was again deeply shaken in my spirit. An hour later I received a phone call from a missionary friend in Los Angeles. He left a voice mail message crying on the phone. He said, last night my wife had a dream of a massive tsunami wave that smashed into where we were living and our whole family was wiped out. He then said, his wife has had four other dreams with tsunamis in their lives and each time she had the dreams something devastating happened to their family, including the death of one of their sons to cancer who was wiped out in a dream by a tsunami months before it actually happened. When I called him, he was very discouraged, depressed and told me that his wife also had a dream one week before the 9-11 incident and knew it would happen, his wife is not one given to look to prophecy often, but her dreams have been quite accurate each time, this is why he was crying, sensing something imminent and devastating would happen to them soon. I shared with him I dont believe it is only for your family, because just that same morning I had received the dream of a massive tsunami wave hitting the coast of LA. “
The imminence understood by Ma and friends was further elaborated in the blogpost in the practical response to these prophetic words. Since it was understood as being just around the corner, people began selling their homes and stockpiling food and water. It was understood that it would happen sometime before their stockpile of perishable food would expire:
“Later on, to my surprise during this time back in Los Angeles I had met with a local pastor who told me that his wife and others in his congregation have had very vivid dreams of a massive earthquake hitting LA and also large tsunami waves crashing over the region wiping out many peoples. They felt it was so serious a warning from the Lord they sold their homes and others in their congregation also did the same to prepare and now are renting in the area. They are now preparing water, perishable foods and other preparations while praying for Gods mercy in the midst of judgement. “
I suppose the next question is, is what were the expiration date of these food, five years later.
Of course, one can say that the prophecy of the Tsunami and earthquake hitting Los Angeles has not happened yet.
More troubling is the concern one should have with Jaeson Ma after he has shared these alleged visions and dreams. These prophetic words changes everything. If people are selling their homes, storing up food because they believe it to be true, will the very messenger of these prophetic words not devote the same conviction in his response?
In light of his prophetic word that an enormous Tsunami and earthquake is coming, how can Jaeson Ma spend the time building human sand castles from 2006 onward marketing his own fashionable clothing line, spending time and energy promoting his music video and pop single (with no gospel of how Jesus saves sinners by God’s grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone), recording himself randomly giving flowers to girls walking in downtown L.A., taking cool celebrity headshots, making inroads into the entertainment business and spending forty days in a monastery being a farmer because it’s “spiritual”, all the while a literal Tsunami tide coming ashore…
Why isn’t Jaeson Ma devoted full time with singular full effort in preaching sober warning to the masses, issuing stern rebuke of sins, calling for people to have true repentance and biblically expounding on the hope of the gospel of Jesus Christ as the one who atone for sins? Will Jaeson Ma follows the pattern in Scripture of those with prophetic word of calamity such as Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, Amos, Joel, etc., even though it is unpopular and dangerous?
A Tsunami tide of God’s judgment and building human sand castles…what an imagery.
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Many years may be a long time in our eyes but it’s just a split second in God’s eyes. So how can you say that the prophecy would be false if it just hasn’t happened yet?
Anon,
Consider the words I wrote above,
“More troubling is the concern one should have with Jaeson Ma after he has shared these alleged visions and dreams. These prophetic words changes everything. If people are selling their homes, storing up food because they believe it to be true, will the very messenger of these prophetic words not devote the same conviction in his response?
In light of his prophetic word that an enormous Tsunami and earthquake is coming, how can Jaeson Ma spend the time building human sand castles from 2006 onward marketing his own fashionable clothing line, spending time and energy promoting his music video and pop single (with no gospel of how Jesus saves sinners by God’s grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone), recording himself randomly giving flowers to girls walking in downtown L.A., taking cool celebrity headshots, making inroads into the entertainment business and spending forty days in a monastery being a farmer because it’s “spiritual”, all the while a literal Tsunami tide coming ashore…
Why isn’t Jaeson Ma devoted full time with singular full effort in preaching sober warning to the masses, issuing stern rebuke of sins, calling for people to have true repentance and biblically expounding on the hope of the gospel of Jesus Christ as the one who atone for sins? Will Jaeson Ma follows the pattern in Scripture of those with prophetic word of calamity such as Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, Amos, Joel, etc., even though it is unpopular and dangerous?”
Dear SlimJim,
In regards to the correspondence you wrote for Anon, and taking time to fully comprehend the post you’ve written, I understand what point of concern you’re hinting at here, after all, it appears that people are acting rather impulsively in terms of selling their homes, stocking up provisions, and reacting in accordance with evacuation as if a real tsunami is impending–but my thought is, whose to say that Jaeson Ma is a false? Sure, it may seem like his following actions after such alarming post contradicts that “conviction”, but again, whose to say that he isn’t gently presenting the message of salvation through God’s grace and faith in Christ to those he encounters? Perhaps it’s just not like him to boast of who he evangelized to concurrent to the day he’s posting about his clothing label or pop music video. And those who’ve moved, well, their relationship with God is none other but their own, no? And if they doubt, well, isn’t that still a good thing? If God exist and his promises are true, then surely no struggle will be left without reason.
Did the Israelites not wander in the desert for 40 years? Surely the expiration date on their provisions run it’s course during that duration. Was Moses’ leadership not doubted? It’s easy to forget that Moses suffered to from the accusations among his followers. But Jaeson, unlike Moses, is just merely a man whose faith continues to be tested. I may not have sold my home, but I (and I assume) alongside many others, forgive Jaeson and understand that God does not revealing the next action to His plan to anyone, and thus I continue to pray for brother, hoping that the “blow” of his “failed prophecy” has not crushed him too hard and drove his spiritual growth to a state of halt.
You’ll probably notice that he’s removed his site and withdrew to a solitary life as a recent. You accuse him of not being as convicted like his “prophesies”, but then again, you fail to write of the things he’s doing behind the scenes for God’s kingdom. He’s made a lot of sacrifices. First off, sacrificing his privacy to reach the audience of people most “Christians” would write off as “too worldly” and not think twice about communicating with. Sacrificing his choice to remain comfortable and not humiliated. As for passing out flowers to random girls in L.A., you make it appear that he’s living a leisurely time, yet you have no idea what impact that little gesture has made to that person’s life. Is God not able to plant the seed to open the world of his glory via a “random” gift of flowers?
Perhaps, unlike traditional “preachers”, he was simply not chosen to spread the message of salvation as one would anticipate a Christian “doing” like putting a [sic] “singular full effort in preaching sober warning to the masses, issuing stern rebuke of sins, calling for people to have true repentance and biblically expounding on the hope of the gospel of Jesus Christ as the one who atone for sins?”
Hey Anon,
I see you have written quite a lengthy comment, and some of the matters you brought up would appear to me as quite problematic. Before I comment, I want to ask you brother (or sister) if perhaps you take what I have to say not so much as an attack on you personally but perhaps something to sharpen each other with for the sake of clarity and sharpening each other to think through issues biblically?
I’m not entirely sure if he (or she) was indeed taking it seriously, maybe I’m right, or wrong, but his (or her) ideas fall with mine. We are human, and as much as I hate to say this (For it touches a pride I should not have), almost insignificant. We’re so small, a minority in comparison to God. But look at it this way. If we were ants, and God the human looking over, us as ands would be crawling over a discarded apple, trying to figure out what it was, while God, seeing the whole apple, knows it’s an apple. We, as humans with only a touch of an ability beyond the the supernatural, cannot see beyond time, cannot see everything, cannot look from above as God can. In terms of Jaeson Ma, I respect him for his songs and everything he has tried to do and has done in God’s name. Look to the positive and see how one can fix the negative. As a celebrity, he must be very busy, but as a follower of Jesus, his spirit’s yearn for God’s bread cannot go ignored forever. As a student, I always slack and feel that I’m too lazy to read his word. but there’s always a little itch, a little want to just get up and do it. If I can feel this, then Jaeson should most definitely feel so as well. But what can I say? I cannot read Jaeson’s mind or know his true motives, whether be pure or not. These matters will be left to God and God alone, for they are in the supernatural, beyond the reach of humanity. So before I say anything biased to disregard your article (Which I think is beautifully written and very clear on your concerns), I only want to say that regardless of what we think or believe is true, in the end, the Father will know. But again, who am I to say such a thing? I’m like you. An ant trying to figure out the whole view of this apple.
Hey Seizure,
I don’t doubt your sincerity when you write this. I do think that the essence of your concern has been brought up time and time again on our blog by others. You might want to consider my response here: https://veritasdomain.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/frequent-objections-defending-jaeson-ma-answered/ and again here: https://veritasdomain.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/a-closer-look-at-another-defense-of-jaeson-mas-false-prophecy/
May the Lord bless you. Please keep on being discerning and tests all things according to the WORD of God.
When first saved I was in a church where everybody was saying….Thus saith the Lord you should do thus and so…blah blah…anyways having no previous christian background I thought this was the norm in the churches. The Lord lead me later to a church with sound doctrine and solid teaching. Jaeson is doing a lot of good I love some of his music as for unfufilled prophesies, we should pray he gets some sound teaching on the issue, and continue to love and pray for him, he is our brother.
Thank you for sharing sister. I think I can identify with you in what you described. My younger Christian days as a new believer from a non-Christian household was one of much zeal, but little knowledge and I would recall those days in high school trying to serve the LORD in the midst of so many who would be into “Thus said the Lord…” beyond Scripture. It was also a tough time to be a Christian because so many people were on fire only when they got some kind of vision, “Word of the Lord”, etc., but then the Bible, which is the Word of God is nothing more than to be data-mined to fit what preachers already want to say. As I grew in my Christian walk, I realize that what I needed was not so called new “word” from the Lord from visions and prophecies (which in today’s charistmastic and pentecostal circle has erred again and again) but THE WORD in the BIble…that is the tried, tested and True foundation for faith. God bless you sister, keep on walking strong in Him.
Do you really know Jaeson ma? Have you seen his teaching….. does it glorify himself or God……. Im not saying who is right or wrong……….
But look at the person man, the music, the message…… does he ask money from you….. Look at his heart, his sincerity, his life ….. if you are not sure what are you talking about? then don’t write at all…. God will be the Judge…. My Jesus… the truth and the life……
who are we to judge who is right or wrong? All of us are broken, which are used by God to his glory……. we are all SINNERS without Jesus ………
God is our Judge…. Jesus ONE LOVE…..
If you have the holy spirit…… you will distinguish what true and whats false….. are you really sure……… I stand I dunno then don’t write at all
LOOK AT THE GOOD AND THE BAD…… Please……. IS GOD SMILING OF WHAT YOU RIGHT>>>>>> GO BACK TO THE WORD OF GOD …. BIBLE
Andrew,
I see there’s a lot of things you have just written here that I believe suggest a lack of spiritual maturity in understanding using the Bible to discern bad teaching, etc. I’m happy to reply with further details with what I mean but I don’t want it to be taken the wrong way. But before I go any further comment, do you know Jaeson Ma? The reason why I ask this is if there is someone close to him that can speak truth to him in his life, I would love to hear about his feedback about this and other posts I have written.
This is the 1st I’ve heard of Jaeson Ma, but Jeremiah exposed the false prophets and Jesus whipped out the money changers abusing the poor faithful. Pharisees are a big part of the California population. That said, he may be piggy-backing on others’ prophecies. Even the geologists at times admit in whispers that California’s coast is going to sink into the Pacific.
Caption on a San Diego editorial page cartoon, with drawing of California sinking: “We all know it’s going to happen!” (Day after one of their tremors)
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And we can all be wrong…… or sin……………… There is repentance right? who are we to judge
http://jaesonma.blogspot.com/2008/12/life-is-beautiful.html
look at his testimony….. please…. does it please himself
http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/interviews/Jaeson_Ma052506.aspx
No I don’t know him personally…… But I became active in the ministry in a church because of his message in the internet. All I know is he has this genuine heart aside from the prophecy thing…….. The main thing that struck me from his message is spend time with God….. Live with action ….. with the power of the holy spirit…..
You have a point in what your saying about the prophetic thing……
you may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’ When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the things does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.” (Deuteronomy 18:21-22)
What I am saying is this…. Instead of posting this article in the net why not message him… search the net how to reach him … right so you can tell it personally…………
Andrew,
I am happy to hear you serving in ministry in your church through the message you heard from Jaeson Ma, keep on being motivated by the Scripture to do your ministry rather than just what man says, and also do things according to the Scripture informing you how to do ministry. My experience with Jaeson Ma’s preaching is that this guy has a great talent for speaking–but he can start being more grounded in Scripture rather than some kind of subjective “thus says the Lord…” because this kind of Penecostal subjective preaching is what will get him and others who follow him in trouble becuase it is not from the Scriptures, such as his predictions and also what he tells other people are “God’s revelation” from other people that turn out to be false…which hurts the cause of Christ more than it help especially when they fail…and the people who are not grounded in Scripture will think God was failing them rather than understand it’s false teaching about God that fail them. That’s heavy. I have asked Jaeson questions in the past (years ago) about evangelism matter before I posted this entry…and I don’t think he’s answered me or will.
I see your point……….. I completely agree theres some holes in the prophecy thing. God bless you. And thanks for your wisdom.
But from me….. I seek some elders to ask this question… what I meant more spiritual mature person….. She said yes…. if we have prophecy gift…. we saw something, we have to go back to the word of God… It would confirmed what we saw
And the spiritual gifts that Jesus gave us it should not cause us panic, fear but encourage, secure us ….. She said she might not be false or assumed true…. but maybe she’s using his prophecy gift wrongly… She said
She also said be very careful cause theres so many preacher who twist the scripture and false teacher
Please correct me if Im wrong…. and support it by the word of God
Thank you Slim Jin…. I can feel your sincerity by writing…..
May I know if you are a pastor?
Brother Andrew,
Yes I am a pastor, I have just begun the ministry, and just completed seminary. My biggest passion is really to preach the Word and also engage in the defense of the Christian faith (what people call apologetics). This blog represent only probably 1% of my life; let me message you.
message me here…….. Thank you so much I learned a lot
Can I email you?
yep…. please I have to ask you a question….. Im active in serving in this church…. and I want to ask if they are holes in the foundation of my church. Thank you …. Please can I know your background…. because of this article, Its like God is revealing to me so many false teaching ……..
I will email you.
I know Jaeson Ma personally and have seen his ministry upclose and from afar. I believe I’m of good judgement through observing his fruits and choices against the word.
Few people I know that have a committed heart to obey God & to cultivate intimacy with him.. His personal positioning and structure of ministry is not to make himself the focus, but to equip the saints for missions both locally and internationally. In bible studies, though he may lead from time to time, he makes it a priority to make it intimate and to strengthen leaders so as to multiply the church instead of fortifying it around a single leader. He’s not a perfect person and he’ll be the first to say it. In fact, his transparency often spurs others to share their struggles and to find freedom.
As far as preaching the gospel and evangelism goes, I know him and it is first and foremost on his heart. He is very very fervent and passionate about the gospel and is one of those rare men who share the gospel in its fullness without watering it down, but in a way that is still loving and makes you want to repent genuinely & change your life. I’ve seen some hard hearts turn and his passion for the gospel is not just observed on stage, but in his personal life and personality when cameras aren’t rolling. I’d say all the media attention he’s received later via social networks, etc are not attempts to contrived PR stunts preserve his image but a glimpse of his character.
He’s explained in the past why he is making music, quirky web videos, and pursuits that may seem secular in the eyes of others. He believes that the marketplace is a powerful place of transformation and revival and that a mandate God has given him was to reach out to the entertainment industry. In this way, he’s been a conduit for some very high profile artists around the world to enter into a genuine relationship with God, one of whom is a popstar by the name of Vanness Wu in Taiwan (Vanness now advocates an abstinence pledge). As a result, other artists like Jin the MC have really opened the lid off their faith and are paying it forward by asking others to re-examine their spiritual lives. Jaeson is a talented performer and uses his talents to advance the gospel and boldly proclaims God’s glory in his songs. As a musician myself, I find it incredibly refreshing to hear rap songs with a real message of hope instead of the usual noise. It also inspires me and other artists to not be ashamed of our secular talents, but to instead, dedicate our plans to the Lord and to embrace our God-given creativity.
The original post seems to focus on Jaeson’s prophetic predictions and we’ll have to see where they lead, but Jaeson has a true heart, loves the Lord, and has been a key conduit in many genuine salvations. He is also a church multiplier and has dedicated a large part of his life to equip many to examine their own hearts and to be faithful with what God has entrusted them in his name. I don’t blame anyone of being skeptical, but I don’t observe Jaeson running a misguided show for himself either. He is happy to be a small part of God’s big picture, for one harvest, under God, for God.
Hey brother,
Are you still close to Jaeson Ma, and are you a person that can speak truth to him as well?
I hope for the purpose of clarification, I do not doubt Jaeson Ma is a believer of Christ Jesus. There has been a rush of people coming on here to defend Jaeson Ma personally, asserting that he is a Christian, and I don’t want people to get the idea that I think he’s not a believer. I just reviewed what I wrote here on Veritas Domain, and I believe my critique has not been about Jaeson’s personal life per se as it is more of what he says and his philosophy of ministry. Having said this, I’m glad to hear and am refreshed to know that someone who knows Jaeson Ma personally can attests to the fruit of his salvation.
But I also believe that just by being a believer grants no one immunity from a biblical critique. Brother, I note that most of what you have written did not focus on the prophecies I’ve mentioned. If Jaeson Ma really have recieved this from the LORD that there will be a great Tsunami coming, I find it astounding that he has been rather shy as of late about what God has revealed concerning this Tsunami to come rather than proclaiming this prophecy (if it is from the LORD), like the way all the Old Testament prophets have done such as Jeremiah. It’s astounding to think that so many will face doom and certain deaths, and he can go on not preaching repentance from the doom to come. This week we all remember the solemn news a year ago of Japan’s Tsunami, and I can’t imagine how the imagery of so much destruction that we have seen on TV cannot drive someone who have somehow an advance warning of a coming doom, not be like Jeremiah, not be like Jonah, Noah, etc., preaching a Gospel of repentance for the coming day of doom is near. Rather, what I suspect is that this is the same old ploy many among third way Charistmaticc, where they say “THUS SAYS THE LORD…” but then they go on from one vision to another, forgetting what was prophecied in the past because of the desire to just experience something new for the sake of something new. Jaeson Ma might be a believer, and I even know of a dear brother in Christ that came to faith through his preaching, but it’s also the very same mouth that can undo the very thing he aims for, with his discussion about “Thus says the Lord…” when it does not come from Scripture. This undermines the trustworthiness of God’s Word-the Bible itself.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not against rapping for Jesus in of itself. But when I listen to Lecrae and Shai Linne, I am edified and surprise how deep and saturated in the WORD their songs are, about God and Christ! Sometimes I listen to Jaeson Ma’s song, I can’t help but to wonder what’s the difference between some of his music with the rest of the world’ Therapeutic Moralism.
I have much more to say (maybe a few more posts coming soon on this blog), but I know I have written quite a long response, so I stop here to ensure I didn’t write too much to discourage this from being read. What do you think of what I have to say brother?
I don’t believe Jaeson is speaking of an actual tsunami. It’s simply a parable of what is to come in the spirit dimension of our world.
Hello Lena, I think it is important to interpret a writer’s intent based upon his own content rather than our own interpretation.
In his own statements, he is speaking of a real tsunami and not a spiritual one. If you think so, please provide the statements he made that implied a “spiritual” tsunami.
Btw, what is a “spiritual” tsunami? Please provide evidences in Los Angeles that there was a so called “spiritual” tsunami after 2006.
It is important that these sort of people account for their own words. One should not go around making such claims and get away with it when it doesn’t happened. In the Bible, such people will be stoned for making a false claims.
Good point Andy, especially about the hermeneutical issue of how does one interpret Jaeson Ma’s prophecy as referring to a “spiritual” Tsunami (like, what does that mean??), and also for reminding us all of the severity of making prophetic statements when they are not true.
Hm, that’s a good point. And like Andy said, What is a “spiritual” tsunami? I had a little idea of my own and wondered that maybe it could be an explosion of the Christian Faith (In our favor, I suppose) or an epidemic of the many religions rising against us (That would seem more like the end of world) and God revealing himself or whatever and whatnot. Just the rants of a dreamer. 😉
Hey Lena,
While I understand that we must read everyone in the best possible light, however, I do not think interpreting Jaeson Ma’s prophecy as a “parable” about a “spiritual” dimension (as oppose to the physical realm) hold water. At least two careful observation from Jaeson Ma’s own writing (not mine) suggests he meant literal physical Tsunamis and earthquakes, as I have quoted already above in this post.
1.) JAESON MA’S QUOTE: “they were not waves of revival, they were something catostrophic.”
(see the original as archived by Google here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BgTBLfkhdPEJ:jaesonma.blogspot.com/2006/10/prepare-pray-earthquake-coming-to-la.html+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
SLIMJIM’S COMMENT: Note that Jaeson Ma and his friends ruled out the possible interpretation that the Tsunamis were something allegorical of some kind of blessings from God. Instead, it was referring to something catostraphic. Of course, I can see someone rebut that this does not rule out the possibility that it can be spiritual tragedy rather than real physical Tsunami, in which I think you should see my second observation below.
2.) JAESON MA’S QUOTE: “They felt it was so serious a warning from the Lord they sold their homes and others in their congregation also did the same to prepare and now are renting in the area. They are now preparing water, perishable foods and other preparations while praying for Gods mercy in the midst of judgement.”
(Again, see the original as archived by Google here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BgTBLfkhdPEJ:jaesonma.blogspot.com/2006/10/prepare-pray-earthquake-coming-to-la.html+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
SLIMJIM’S COMMENT: In the context in which the quote comes from, Jaeson Ma gives the support for his prophetic dreams by citing that others have also had similar dreams, and their interpretation of them. If Jaeson Ma did not mean a physical and literal Tsunami, then why didn’t he tell these people that these dreams refer to something that is more of a spiritual parable, that they did not have to sell their homes, be renting instead, prepare water, food and other preparation for a literal Tsunami? Would not Jaeson Ma be culpable????
Lena, I hope you would understand that I do not wish to attack you as a person, nor just attack Jaeson Ma for the sake of attacking Jaeson Ma; if you are a Christian, keep on trusting in God’s Word that is found in the Bible rather than men and women who say “THUS SAYS THE LORD” that is not found in Scripture. I am concern for you as a brother in the LORD and for others as well. I don’t want your faith in God to waver, or be strengthen as men and women trust in the Bible rather than fancy stories and false speculation that is labeled “prophecy.”
By the way, if you ever study the history of false prophets, after a false prophecy ends up failing, the false prophets and their supporters often end up saying it was “spiritual” rather than “spiritual.” This is the excuse that Jehovah’s Witnesses has given for 1914 being the year of Christ coming back, of 1975; or the Adventist movements in the 1800s, etc. Be careful by being on guard with the WORD OF GOD, lest history repeats itself with us being a part of it!
Doesn’t the Bible (in the NEW testament) also say you will know a false prophet by his fruit (Matthew 7:15-23)? I think Jaeson Ma genuinely believed he received a dire message from God. Perhaps he simply misinterpreted- it happens. If this is a singular, isolated occurrence, I don’t think it’s fair to put that label on him. One mistake versus years of work in the ministry, leading countless people to peace, fulfillment, and happiness in the salvation of Jesus Christ? Do you really think in GOD’S eyes he is a false prophet for this? A false prophet is a liar and a deceiver. Would you agree he is these things too? You are certainly allowed your opinion and I don’t know the guy but to jump to such a conclusion sets an unhealthy precedent for less mature believers and sets the unattainable standard that Christians must always be right about everything or they are “false prophets.” Furthermore, isn’t the whole point of this type of “prophecy” to get the people in that community to repent of their sins so that the proclaimed judgment could be avoided? Jonah proclaimed judgment on Nineveh. A judgment that never came to pass (because the people REPENTED). By your standard, that makes him a false prophet. Nobody can make anything happen, all we can do is try to be obedient to God to the best of our ability. You almost sound angry that it DIDN’T happen. For whatever reason, Jaeson was wrong (unless it’s yet to happen) and I for one am glad he was!
Hey Kells,
I thought I give a more full reply after this evening, with my prior commitment of teaching tonight.
God bless you
Kells,
Hey sister, my full reply can be found here: https://veritasdomain.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/frequent-objections-defending-jaeson-ma-answered/
I hope you do not see this as a personal attack against you, but rather my concern for many in how they approach this issue.
God bless and let me know if you ever need any prayers
[…] Back in July 2011, I wrote a post here on Veritas Domain on a “prophecy” that Asian prea… ,that has been receiving a lot of attention and comments. Most of the comments on that page has been offering up defenses for Jaeson Ma, and some of these objections are frequently brought up again and again. The most recent one was by a sister in Christ name Kells, and I thought her concern was typical of the comments I have been getting and for the purpose of this post I reproduce it in full here: Doesn’t the Bible (in the NEW testament) also say you will know a false prophet by his fruit (Matthew 7:15-23)? I think Jaeson Ma genuinely believed he received a dire message from God. Perhaps he simply misinterpreted- it happens. If this is a singular, isolated occurrence, I don’t think it’s fair to put that label on him. One mistake versus years of work in the ministry, leading countless people to peace, fulfillment, and happiness in the salvation of Jesus Christ? Do you really think in GOD’S eyes he is a false prophet for this? A false prophet is a liar and a deceiver. Would you agree he is these things too? You are certainly allowed your opinion and I don’t know the guy but to jump to such a conclusion sets an unhealthy precedent for less mature believers and sets the unattainable standard that Christians must always be right about everything or they are “false prophets.” Furthermore, isn’t the whole point of this type of “prophecy” to get the people in that community to repent of their sins so that the proclaimed judgment could be avoided? Jonah proclaimed judgment on Nineveh. A judgment that never came to pass (because the people REPENTED). By your standard, that makes him a false prophet. Nobody can make anything happen, all we can do is try to be obedient to God to the best of our ability. You almost sound angry that it DIDN’T happen. For whatever reason, Jaeson was wrong (unless it’s yet to happen) and I for one am glad he was! […]
I’m curious. When you accuse Jaeson Ma of being a false prophet, what exactly do you mean? Are you saying Jaeson Ma is intentionally spreading falsehood under the name of Jesus with the purpose of leading people astray? Or are you saying that Jaeson Ma, a Christian, believed himself to be receiving visions of impending judgement on Los Angeles but actually was in err?
I was just wondering because when the Bible discusses false prophets, it talks about those who work against the Kingdom of God, who are ravenous wolves, agents of Satan, evildoers, and people who intentionally lead people astray. I am wondering if you accuse him of being such.
It also confuses me on why you criticize him on not following the old testament prophets. I, myself just assumed that he, like you, had suspicions that he could be in err, so he would hold off proclaiming judgement until he had confirmation from the Holy Spirit (aside from his dreams) that what he says in fact is imminent.
Please do not mistake my questions for a personal attack on you, it is just that I am troubled when a fellow brother in Christ is slandered and called a false prophet. Strictly speaking, he has not yet been proven wrong. Just because a prophesy has not yet come to fruition, it does not mean that it is false. Jonah’s prohesy never did. John’s vision of judgement has yet to occur.
I do appreciate much of what you say though. We should test everything and discern whether or not it is from God. Yet that does not mean we should attack someone personally. Calling someone a liar, a false prophet, and saying one’s personal time of prayer and meditation isn’t “spiritual” doesn’t seem to me as one speaking out of concern and love.
Brother, I look forward to your response.
Hey brother Derek,
Please see my post that dealt with the frequent objections concerning my post of Jaeson Ma’s 2006 prophecy here: https://veritasdomain.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/frequent-objections-defending-jaeson-ma-answered/ and a closer look at a more detailed objection here: https://veritasdomain.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/a-closer-look-at-another-defense-of-jaeson-mas-false-prophecy/ .
Also, you said, “Yet that does not mean we should attack someone personally. Calling someone a liar, a false prophet, and saying one’s personal time of prayer and meditation isn’t “spiritual” doesn’t seem to me as one speaking out of concern and love.”
I don’t think I’ve ever called him a liar, nor attacked Jaeson Ma’s personal time of prayer and meditation as not being “spiritual.” I don’t know where that’s coming from. I’m getting rather weary of people saying things I’ve supposedly said about Jaeson Ma that I never said, which does not seem to me as speaking out of concern nor out of love (for Christian love also involves truth).
In all honestly before the sight of the LORD Derek, I don’t want to question your motive, and I’m trying my best to see what you attributed of what I said as just a misreading of someone else’s statement.
Hi Derek,
There is one thing when one makes errors in one’s life before God; and its another thing when one claims to be speaking on behalf of God. I think the latter is more dangerous and requires more scrutiny from the body of Christ. You could even read James 3:1, which speaks about the scrutiny over teachers. Although we are speaking about prophets, I think the principle could apply in this context. And of course the passages that SLIMJIM provided are good too.
On another note, Jaeson Ma has displayed himself in the manner of a prophet by foretelling what is to happen in the future. And when he has done so, his prophecies have not come to pass. If Jaeson Ma would sincerely confess his errors before God and repent, then there would be no need for SLIMJIM to continue posting about Jaeson Ma on Domain for Truth. But Jaeson Ma has not changed in regards to his mentality of prophecies.
Hence, it appears that Jaeson Ma is treading on dangerous grounds, and by his fruit, he appears to be manifesting fruits of a false prophet. I am going to let this ride out and will continue to examine to see if Jaeson Ma continues to prophesy falsely.
Whatever Jaeson Ma’s motive maybe, the fact of the matter is that he needs to have a heart of contrition and receive correction from God’s Word when it comes to prophecy.
Also in regards to Jonah’s prophecies, here is a post that was done on Jonah’s prophecies:
https://veritasdomain.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/is-there-a-lack-of-fulfillment-in-gods-prophecies-part-1/
https://veritasdomain.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/is-there-a-lack-of-fulfillment-in-gods-prophecies-part-2/
To me, after I searched to know about Jeason Ma on the internet, all I can say that he is just an ATTENTION SEEKER who uses GOD as a book cover to get attention from Jesus’ believers. If there are ppl who receive messages from God, Jaeson Ma wouldn’t be on that list because God wouldn’t send his messages through a message deliver who is constantly busy in promoting himself on the internet. His messages should only be :ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! It’s ME, I’m Jaeson Ma. 🙂
Thank you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts Jenny C. I can see how people share that sentiment if one look more closely at how he does things. I hope that God does change him for the better and that in general people would be more grounded in the Scriptures.
i think Jason ma is a good christian but someone must guide him as a young man who has a great experience in the past. Paul has to go to a period of time a lone with God before releasing to the ministry even though He got great vision and know exactly his calling. remember when you are in the spirit realm must be careful not to have a little bit proud ( i am not accusing jaeson ma ) just listen to john Mulende and Heide Baker preaching. she could be wrong and rebuking God while she was preaching because that was not God wants to do in his life and listen to John Mulende …he was a genuine heart to serve the lord and one day he realized that he was not right with God. we must be humble to received a correction to one another. we are still a clay vessel but God does not give up with Jason. just like Peter ….we are all a learner need one another.
Hey Yeremia,
I think the issue with Jaeson Ma is not that he’s a young man that need guidance but someone who have an unbiblical theology. He has mentors by the way which might be a good subject I pick up on a future posts of his theological mentors/influence and their unsoundness to the Word of God. Also, there are men much more younger than Jaeson Ma that I look up (who are younger than me by the way), who are Pastors and leaders and yet they don’t make false prophecies even if they do not have other people guiding him as the way Jaeson Ma does have with various mentors and teachers in his life. The issue is his bad theology, subjectivism (having a high view of one’s own opinion being equal to the Word of God, which is actually idolatrous) not to mention the actual prophecies that’s questionable whether they are from God Himself. I hope I don’t sound mean but we need to be careful of what people say is coming from God and people need to be held accountable. I hope you would read the comment section here in which I have talked to others and covered some of your concerns here, and the various links I have provided that I have explained further myself on this blog, so that I don’t repeat myself. God bless you, keep on growing in HIS WORD, THE BIBLE rather than just the fancy talks of men.
Dear writers, God loves you & Jason Ma, so plz, as we keep discerning all things according to Scripture plz be aware that Love is the greatest and pray for those young in the faith, bear the weak, teach the teachable and pray for those whom you deem is doing wrong in the Kingdom of God, and if felt lead correct them in Love.
Plz bro’s and sista’s let all things you add to the fellowship of the family in Christ be unto edification. Thank you.
1 Cor. 14:26; http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/14-26.htm
I agree with you brother/sister, about love and Christian fellowship. Is there anything you might find disagreeable with the post I’ve written on Jaeson Ma biblically?
God bless you.
Hi SLIMJIM,
Your answers are sound in Scripture. I do not see anything wrong with them. I think it is almost a cop out when people use age as a variable to release or decrease the the level of accountability placed upon teachers.
As for love – I agree, but people need to remember that love without truth is meaningless and truth without love is careless. But at the end of the day, truth will set people free from destructive doctrines (Jn 8:32, “And you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free”, NASB).
James 3:1, “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment” (NASB).
Your post has presented some good sobering thoughts. Confirms some iffy vibe my friend and I had about Jaeson Ma.
Young Christians have to remember, people will use emotional manipulation tactics to keep you from discerning what is good and evil, right and wrong. Often in the name of love and “do not judge”, trying to make you the bad guy when you call out something that’s not in line with scripture. But the apostles told us to test all things, and abhor what is evil, hold on to what is good. Just some food for thought.
Thank you Nelster for your comment and your encouragement for young Christians to be Biblical rather than just driven by personality, etc. It has been weary to see Christians pull the thing you mentioned about how we are not loving, and we ought not to judge, etc., even though we answered that objection and response many, many times (as you can see from the other posts we have written about Jaeson Ma on our blog).
God bless you, may the LORD allow you to walk in Him with full assurance and the fruit of the Spirit.
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If someone prophesy something and it didn’t come to past that doesn’t mean he or she is a false prophet. Many people have a wrong understanding on what prophetic is all about. You guys can go read the book call “Growing In The Prophetic” by Mike Bickle. I learn a lot through that book. But more importantly go back to the scriptures, cause the Word can never go wrong. Be like the Bereans in Acts 17.
I read a lot of comments here that sound so judgemental towards this particular preacher. I don’t think that is what God commands us to do. Rather than saying bad things about Jaeson Ma, why don’t you guys pray for him? Isn’t it better to just pray?
The following link contain all my posts on Jaeson Ma and those defense of him: https://veritasdomain.wordpress.com/2013/10/31/strange-fire-problems-in-asia-series/
If you feel you have something different to say than those who came before you, feel free to comment. Mike Bickle himself is also not the epitome of one who is biblical. I can’t defend the comments of others, but I think the Bible does talk about false prophets are not to be coddled with. As to praying for Jaeson Ma, I admit I can pray for him more; specifically for him to be more biblical and also come clean and repent from his vain imagination.
God bless you Allison, I hope you see my desire is to be more Biblical.