Troll on Veritas Domain: Jesus didn’t have any requirements about belief in Himself?

We have a troll commented on one of my posts while I was away on a trip.  He has some interesting unorthodox views.  Wally, a dear friend of our blog asked him the question “Exactly how did you arrive at that?”  The troll said said “about 25 years in theology.”  He thinks his study of the Bible is academically rigorous and told Wally “what i’d like you to do is use the greek, the original language john was written in,” to refute him.  He wants Wally to know he’s ready to rumble with the Greek by name dropping Strong (dead give away of a wannable Greek Geek).  Oh and our troll freely use the word “simpleton” for others.   So after 25 years of studying theology what is his mighty conclusion of Jesus’ life and ministry ?  His comment found HERE is very telling:

jesus didn’t have any requirements about belief in himself; he had a very old jewish message he wished was simply believed. his only unique addition to it was a universalism and focus on the inner-man. a way of seeing the world differently, through love, and behavior is then lawless, unjudgable.

Let’s do an autopsy of what he said.

1.) “jesus didn’t have any requirements about belief in himself”

Response: Jesus didn’t have any requirements about belief in himself?  The Biblical data suggests otherwise.  And he didn’t pick this up after 25 years?  Maybe it’s time to turn the table around, so using his own words and standards: “what i’d like you to do is use the Greek, the original language,” and translate these Greek passages:

και πας ο ζων και πιστευων εις εμε ου μη αποθανη εις τον αιωνα πιστευεις τουτο

μη ταρασσεσθω υμων η καρδια πιστευετε εις τον θεον και εις εμε πιστευετε

ιησους δε εκραξεν και ειπεν ο πιστευων εις εμε ου πιστευει εις εμε αλλα εις τον πεμψαντα με

I’m not playing.  If you’re the troll and you are reading this, there will be no comments approved on this blog until you you translate, parse, decline and argue grammatically from the Greek.  And please don’t use Google to find these verses and look it up in the English or cheat with Google Translate.  You can tell.

Note: I’ll post what these verse says in the English after a reasonably ample time has passed.

 

2.) “he had a very old jewish message he wished was simply believed. his only unique addition to it was a universalism and focus on the inner-man. a way of seeing the world differently, through love, and behavior is then lawless, unjudgable.”

Response: It’s important to understand this quote in context.  Our troll argues throughout the comment section for a Jesus that delivers a nonjudgmental message. But this is unbiblical.  Notice Jesus’ own teachings that the inter-relationship of rejecting Jesus and God’s judgment meets with Jesus’ own words being the standard to condemn the guilty:

ο αθετων εμε και μη λαμβανων τα ρηματα μου εχει τον κρινοντα αυτον ο λογος ον ελαλησα εκεινος κρινει αυτον εν τη εσχατη ημερα

I like the troll to translate, parse and decline the verse.

Here’s a freebee in the English that shows Jesus’ own message to His followers was never about not judging; rather it was about judging correctly:

Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.” (John 7:24)

And another freebee in the English:

Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,” (John 5:22)

Note how John 5:22 makes it clear that Jesus as the Son of God has been given the authority by the Father to judge!  This is confirmed by John 5:27.  Jesus will practice this authority!  He has said:

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.” (John 5:30)

The Bible does not teach that love means believers are to practice lawless behavior.  The essence of sin is lawlessness:

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.” (1 John 3:4)

2 Peter 3:17 even warns us against lawlessness:

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.

Our troll teaches doctrines that thinks love never warns and promotion of lawlessness that would threaten someone’s secure position in Christ.  Our troll teaches doctrines of demons.  I pray He repents to Jesus.

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