For today’s post we will tackle another question from the Skeptic Annotated Bible: Where does God dwell?
This one should be filed under the category of “Too Silly.”
Here are the two answers which the skeptic believes shows a Bible contradiction:
God dwells in Zion.
“Sing praises to the Lord, who dwells in Zion; Declare among the peoples His deeds.” (Psalm 9:11)
“His tabernacle is in Salem; His dwelling place also is in Zion.” (Psalm 76:2)
“Then you will know that I am the Lord your God, Dwelling in Zion, My holy mountain. So Jerusalem will be holy, And strangers will pass through it no more….And I will avenge their blood which I have not avenged, For the Lord dwells in Zion.” (Psalm 9:11)
God dwells in the heavens.
“To You I lift up my eyes, O You who are enthroned in the heavens!” (Psalm 123:1)
“Do not be hasty in word or impulsive in thought to bring up a matter in the presence of God. For God is in heaven and you are on the earth; therefore let your words be few.” (Ecclesiastes 5:2)
(All Scriptural quotation comes from the New American Standard Bible)
Here’s a closer look at whether or not there is a contradiction:
- When dealing with skeptics’ claim of Bible contradictions it seems one can never be reminded enough of what exactly is a contradiction. A contradiction occurs when two or more claims conflict with one another so that they cannot simultaneously be true in the same sense and at the same time. To put it another way, a Bible contradiction exists when there are claims within the Bible that are mutually exclusive in the same sense and at the same time.
- The verses cited by the skeptics’ as teaching that God dwells in Zion were properly interpreted by the skeptic to mean that God does dwell in Zion.
- Likewise the verses cited by the skeptics’ as teaching that God dwells in heaven were properly interpreted by the skeptic to mean that God does dwell in heaven.
- Still there is not a contradiction here if one understands that God is a being who is omnipresent (all present).
- There are many verses that teaches God’s omnipresence.
- “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? 8 If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. 9 If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, 10 Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me. 11 If I say, “Surely the darkness will overwhelm me, And the light around me will be night,” 12 Even the darkness is not dark to You, And the night is as bright as the day. Darkness and light are alike to You.” (Psalm 139:7-12)
- Verse 7 begins with two rhetorical questions:
- “Where can I go from Your Spirit?”
- “Or where can I flee from Your presence?”
- The answer of course is there is nowhere one can flee from God’s presence.
- In answering the rhetorical questions God’s omnipresence is explicitly stated in verses 8 in the form of two statements that if the Psalmist were to go to the highest and lowest point physically, God will be still be there:
- “If I ascend to heaven, You are there;”
- “If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.”
- One cannot outrun God’s omnipresence: “If I take the wings of the dawn…10 Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me.” (9a, 10)
- Verse 7 begins with two rhetorical questions:
- “‘Am I a God who is near,’ declares the Lord, ‘And not a God far off? 24 Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?’ declares the Lord. ‘Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?’ declares the Lord.” (Jeremiah 23:23-24)
- These two verses appear in a chapter in which God is rebuking false prophets during the time in which Jeremiah the Prophet ministered.
- There are three rhetorical questions asked by the Lord here.
- In the first question God asks rhetorically whether He is a God who “is near” or “a God far off?”(23)
- The last rhetorical question answers the first question: “Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” (24b). The answer of course is “yes,” God does fill the heavens and the earth.
- “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? 8 If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. 9 If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, 10 Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me. 11 If I say, “Surely the darkness will overwhelm me, And the light around me will be night,” 12 Even the darkness is not dark to You, And the night is as bright as the day. Darkness and light are alike to You.” (Psalm 139:7-12)
- If God is present everywhere then it is not a contradiction when there are some Bible verses that mentions God dwelling in Zion while some mentions that God dwell in Heaven.
- There are many verses that teaches God’s omnipresence.
Again this is not a Bible contradiction at all. This has got to be the weakest alleged Bible contradiction in the list that Skeptic Annotated Bible presents.
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Excellent! I am truly thankful for these posts. Too many people read the parts of the Bible they want without considering things contextually which leads to these supposed contradictions. Great post!
Thank you Elihu for your comment. It means a lot coming from you. I’m amazed at how often people are googling the more simple Bible contradictions and end up on our blog. Hence why I decided to refute even the more simple ones. Does it seem like the most popular attacks against Christianity are often the most easiest to refute such as relativism, subjectivism, etc., or it is just me?
Once a lie has been perpetuated—even if it’s easy to refute—it’s so deeply placed in the collective mind that it’s hard to eradicate.
It’s similar to the Furgason incident: Even when it came to light that the officer had not shot the perp in the back nor were the man’s hands raised in surrender, the “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative kept being falsely used to promote their cause.
We just have to keep being a voice for truth in order to drown out the lies. Keep up the excellent work!
That’s so true
A fine post, Tom. My wife and I were just speaking about this topic yesterday. Here’s one to consider: if the ruler of this world has been cast down here, can God be omnipresent here on earth? How could He dwell amongst the evil one?
Nathan,
It’s so good to hear from you. What an act of providence that you were talking about this with your wife and I blogged on the related topic. I was teaching on God’s omnipresence a few weeks ago and I was blown away at the various ways God’s presence manifest itself…and how sometimes God’s presence is also involved with judgment. It’s amazing to also consider God’s omnipresence with His other attributes such as mercy, grace and longsuffering (I see it similar to mercy but with the aspect of patience). What’s your thoughts on the topic and/or the direction of the discussion with your wife brother Nathan?
ahhhh heck…Really mess with their brains. Tell them that God dwells in the heart of the believer.
That would be further throwning a wrench to their minds. Yet since God is omnipresent, He can dwell in the hearts of believers as well. Good point Patrick!
Thanks, Jim. God’s omnipresence is an awesome thing. He holds every molecule together. He indwells the believer. The more we prayerfully consider the presence of the Lord, the harder apathy and disobedience become.
Brother Tom!
It is indeed fascinating to see aspects of His omnipresence! Yet it is very practical its implication for the Christian life as you pointed out: “The more we prayerfully consider the presence of the Lord, the harder apathy and disobedience become.” I thought of Proverbs 5:21 which states “For the ways of a man are before the eyes of the Lord,
And He watches all his paths.” It’s amazing to think of God’s omniscience/presence is the motivation for Christian obedience in the context to be sexually faithful. I love teaching the attributes of God and showing how it is practical for the Christian life!!! Any other applications you can think of?
RE: Any other applications you can think of?
Well, brother Jim, I know for myself that acknowledging the Lord’s constant loving presence and power has made a big difference for me in staying pure minded, in striving to be a loving servant to my wife, and reaching out to others rather than staying in my introvert shell. Obviously, I’m not perfect, but I’ve noticed that acknowledging God’s presence – allowing the reality of the presence of the Lord to really soak in – is a far superior way to fight apathy and sin rather than trying to avoid sin in my own flesh, which was my usual modus operandi. Meditating on His presence inside me and all around me, as His Word proclaims, puts a wonderful perspective on everything. I discussed this at our community group last night but it was hard to find the right words. Looking back, I talked about having a relationship with the Lord after I first accepted Him, but I’m only now just beginning to understand the closeness that He offers and what that that translates to in how I think and act.
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The incompetence of the skeptic is embarrassing. They miss totally Christianity 101 and Bible 101
This is rather silly of the atheist; as Biden would say “Come on!”
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This is a rather silly objection by the skeptics
Nice article; we live in a feeling driven society and many are not taught to find out the facts objectively but so many people project what they think is the case instead. How anyone can think this is a contradiction is beyond me, and especially after this lengthy explanation.
Atheists have the worst logic when it comes to reading the Bible
Critical interpretation is a skill that atheists are in short supply of
Some skeptics can’t read well ~Jack Tea
Apparently not!
Very awesome
Have anyone told the online skeptics about this page?
If someone did tell them they still would ignore it, its bad for their business lol
An atheist saying this is a contradiction would be immediately discredited before the eyes of those who know the Scripture
Its a shame more people don’t know the Scripture
The Skeptic annotated Bible is an unreliable source. I say this as an avid Bible reader
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