For today’s post we will tackle the question the Skeptic Annotated Bible asked: How should the Moabites be treated?
Here are the answers which the skeptic believes indicate a Bible contradiction:
Do not fight against them or take their land.
“Then the Lord said to me, ‘Do not attack Moab, nor provoke them to war, for I will not give you any of their land as a possession, because I have given Ar to the sons of Lot as a possession.” (Deuteronomy 2:9)
Kill them and take their land.
“Then he said to them, “Pursue them, for the Lord has handed your enemies the Moabites over to you.” So they went down after him and took control of the crossing places of the Jordan opposite Moab, and did not allow anyone to cross. 29 They struck and killed about ten thousand Moabites at that time, all robust and valiant men; and no one escaped. 30 So Moab was subdued that day under the hand of Israel. And the land was at rest for eighty years.” (Judges 3:28-30)
“There is no longer praise for Moab; In Heshbon they have devised disaster against her: ‘Come and let’s cut her off from being a nation!’ You too, [a]Madmen, will be silenced; The sword will follow you.” (Jeremiah 48:2)
(All Scriptural quotation comes from the New American Standard Bible)
Here’s a closer look at whether or not there is a contradiction:
- When dealing with skeptics’ claim of Bible contradictions it seems one can never be reminded enough of what exactly is a contradiction. A contradiction occurs when two or more claims conflict with one another so that they cannot simultaneously be true in the same sense and at the same time. To put it another way, a Bible contradiction exists when there are claims within the Bible that are mutually exclusive in the same sense and at the same time.
- One should be skeptical of whether this is a Bible contradiction given the Skeptic Annotated Bible’s track record of inaccurately handling the Bible. See the many examples of their error which we have responded to in this post: Collection of Posts Responding to Bible Contradictions. Of course that does not take away the need to respond to this claim of a contradiction, which is what the remainder of this post will do. But this observation should caution us to slow down and look more closely at the passages cited by the Skeptic Annotated Bible to see if they interpreted the passages properly to support their conclusion that it is a Bible contradiction.
- The skeptic tries to pit Deuteronomy 2:9 as affirming the claim “Do not fight against Moab or take their land” against both Judges 3:28-30 and Jeremiah 48:2 as affirming “Kill Moabites and take their land.”
- For background information Moab is a nation that neighbors Israel. According to Genesis 19;37 Lot’s older daughter named her son Moab, and he’s the father of the Moabite nation.
- We should know the contexts of what is going on with these three verses.
- Deuteronomy 2:9 records the words of an elderly Moses to the Hebrews who were to go into the Promise Land in which he told them what they were to do and not to do. This include nations they were not to attack such as the Edomites and Moabites.
- As context for Judges 3:28-30 according to Judges 3:13-14 we see the Moabite King Eglon has invaded and occupied Israel and Israel was forced to serve the Moabites for 18 years.
- According to the verse before Jeremiah 48:2 the context of Jeremiah 48:2 is God’s prophecy against Moab. This action is told to Jeremiah the Prophet and the destruction and demise of Moab is foretold. According to Jeremiah 48:46 the Moabites will be punished by being taken to captivity which in the context of the book suggests the punishment is carried out by Babylonians.
- Knowing the context we see the skeptics cited Deuteronomy 2:9 correctly that God ordered Israel not to fight against Moab or take their land. Two specific limitations are mentioned: Israel is not to initiate conflict with Moab (“provoke them to war,“) nor secondly should they start wars for conquest of Moabite territory (“ will not give you any of their land as a possession, because I have given Ar to the sons of Lot as a possession“). However it must also be clear that this does not mean Israel cannot act in self-defense from Moabite aggressions against Israel. We know this because chronologically before Deuteronomy 2:9 Moab desired to harm Israel and Israel had to take defensive military means to defend itself from Moab’s seductive strategy in Numbers 22-32.
- Knowing the context we see the skeptics did not cited Judges 3:28-30 correctly that God ordered the killing of Moabites and to take their land.
- In Judges 3:28-30 these are the words of the Judge Ehud to his own countrymen to defend themselves and remove the Moabite occupiers in their lands. This is not an invasion of Moab but a military campaign of liberation of their own country.
- Note verse 29 explicitly said Ehud was “opposite Moab, and did not allow anyone to cross” into Moab, of the occupying forces so they won’t be able to return to Moab but were militarily eliminated instead. Again there is nothing in the passage for the skeptic to conclude anything about taking their land.
- Knowing the context we see the skeptics did not cited Jeremiah 48:2 correctly that God ordered the killing of Moabites and to take their land.
- While the passage predicts the Babylonians will occupy Moab and kill its inhabitants and take them captive this is not the same thing as prescribing this as a practice.
- Also the passage is telling us statement of facts not giving imperatives for others to do.
- Still there’s a difference between Israel and Babylonians as the referents of these actions being done to Moab, reinforcing our point that the skeptics misinterpreted the passage .Again there is nothing in the passage for the skeptic to conclude anything about Israel taking Moab’s land.
- There is no contradiction here. Seems the skeptic needs to learn of How to Handle Bible Contradictions.
- We shouldn’t miss that worldviews are at play even with the skeptic’s objection to Christianity. The worldview of the author of the Skeptic Annotated Bible actually doesn’t even allow for such a thing as the law of non-contradiction to be meaningful and intelligible. In other words for him to try to disprove the Bible by pointing out that there’s a Bible contradiction doesn’t even make sense within his own worldview. Check out our post “Skeptic Annotated Bible Author’s Self-Defeating Worldview.”
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Thanks for the insight. It seems to be a pattern of deliberately not understanding context and the history of scripture.
I appreciate your faithfulness in refuting these.
Blessings.
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Thank you for refuting this allegation, Jim! The skeptic should have known the basics about defense and offense, mindful if there was a land grab or otherwise but then again, that is their role. In a different light, it was a sad tale to know that the decendants of Lot and Isau (Moabites and Edomites) fell out of GOD’s grace. They probably originated from the same people that Abraham took with him in a journey from Ur to the promised land. Blessings to you, Nancy, and the kids!
Good historical knowledge in your comments!! I think there’s more truth in your comments than pages of commentary and contradictions on the Skeptic Annotated Bible (the portion with the skeptics words of course). From your comment I suspect you know quite a lot of the Old Testament. Praise God! I wish others study and know more of the Old Testament. Mandy would he happy about that 🙂. See you in about 9 hours?
Actually, I’m not familiar with a lot on OT and your Answering to Bible Contradictions (ABC) series is my source of info. Unlike NT, I read OT that little. Grateful to GOD for giving me the appetite to read from Genesis to just parts of Numbers 🥱 and a little (except Daniel and Ecclesiastes) on 4 books of the OT back then. See you, Mandy and the rest in 30 minutes.
This is GREAT work! Great work with discussing how Israel is allowed to defend herself!
Thank you sister! The comment means a lot coming from an OT nerd (in a good way if I can say that? Or should I say OT guru?). I do look forward to your future post on Ruth!
I am unapologetic in my nerdhood! I am looking forward to this evening.
Thanks for this thorough rebuttal of another one of Steve/Stephen Wells’ alleged contradictions. He’s being so underhanded by ignoring the historical contexts.
He’s underhanded in his scholarship and understudied and lack basic understanding of basic Old Testament knowledge I mean he’s so underhanded In his understanding he’s “under sitting” and though he thinks he’s undefeated He’s under feet of our God (I know lame puns). How is your day starting out?
RE: Undersitting
Good one!
I had to drive around doing several errands today. On our last trip, my wife picked up about 3 pounds of fried seafood from a restaurant for her dinner. I ordered nothing because I’m shedding those holiday pounds. 🦐🦞🦀 🔨🔨🔨
Raman noodles for me tonight!
How’s your day going?
There’s so much things online these days that are false and the worst lies are spiritual and against God. One wonder why society is the way it is in the West today
SAB is a super spreader of lies slandering the Bible, the world need to classify that sit as a hate speech site
The world probably won’t classify it as hate speech, since the Left thinks Christianity is immune to being persecuted, receive hate speech, etc.
This man will not learn on purpose.
Agreed, after all these contradictions we look at from him, Steve Well I think we can conclude is willfully being ignorant and make gross errors in interpreting the Bible. I’m reminded of how much I need the Spirit to interpret the BIble lest my own sin and folly twist the Scripture. How grateful should Christians be for the Spirit amen???
Amen. True.
I enjoyed the way you handled the text, it shows your care of God’s Word and of truth
You wrote it lovingly too
Context is everything.
Thank you for this great presentation of another failed attempt to charge the Bible with contradictions.
Blessings to,you and yours.
Thanks Crissy for reading this! You’re right, this is another failed attempt by the Skeptic Annotated Bible. There attack on the Bible and our response has led to a lot of views on the blog by people looking up answers to the Skeptic Annotated BIble and many of the blog’s top 10 posts have to do with answering Bible contradictions. If you can pray for the salvation of people through the seeds planted by post like this one…I sense our time is short
That’s great pastor Jim, praise God. I will be praying that the seeds planted will produce good fruit.
I sense the same….
The skeptic shows his arbitrary, limited knowledge and skewed prejudices! The offense and defense distinction is very helpful here and it definitely is based upon the text. That’s exactly right! God wants to show Himself but having His Word be without contradiction and error
I admit that unlike most here I struggled with the Old Testament and how Israel treated their neighbors. So this article taught me that we need to look at what we don’t understand more carefully
I appreciate your analysis into difficult Old Testament passages and looking at it properly.
God’s grace towards Moab include incorporating Ruth a Moabitess into the Messianic genealogy
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God wanted Israel’s enemy treated with care, but can’t help but to see the skeptic treat God’s Word so badly
Thank you for demonstrating the error of the skeptic’s reading of those passages. I enjoyed reading through some more of your contradictions this afternoon.
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