I saw a dear brother shared this in an online group that led to a lot of conversations about an apologetics ministry that talked about the relationship between the Bible and Jesus’ resurrection that pit more the Bible against Jesus’ resurrection.

Many of you know I hold to Presuppositional Apologetics’ methodology. And I’m a Presuppositionalist who loves history and historical apologetics! So this is my reply done as much as possible in a gracious attitude.
Wow this is awesome to see some really good responses on here from members! The pastoral side of me gets excited to see others give good responses.To pit Scripture against history is itself problematic and of course Presuppositionalists aren’t denying the historicity of the Christian faith. We affirm both God’s Word and the historicity of Jesus. We also NEED to affirm the proper place of both including the authority of Scripture EVEN WHEN discussing the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus and its apologetics dimension and implications of the resurrection of Jesus. Here’s my response paragraph by paragraph.
1. While it is true that “the resurrection preceded the reports of it” including New Testament documents, yet the Bible with the Old Testment appears before Jesus’ resurrection. And the Old Testament has things to say concerning the Messiah, the Messiah’s person and works including the death and resurrection of Jesus. So technically God’s report of the resurrection was before the event and we should give the Bible its priority in light of the OP’s own reasoning.
2. It is true the authors of the New Testament knew about the resurrection before writing the New Testament yet their experience of witnessing Jesus resurrection wasn’t done in a vaccum. All evidences are interpreted through a philosophy of evidence and for the writers of the New Testament that philosophy of evidence include the Old Testament. To say it in a way evidentialist would understand: Evidence demands…a philosophy of evidence that interpret the evidence. And the New Testament numerous citation of Messianic prophecies, types and motif concerning Jesus’ life and works including the resurrection shows that the Bible versus “historical facts” is a false dichotomy. In fact its Jesus’ resurrection in light of what the Old Testament has to say about the Messiah is what gave the disciples and witnesses hope instead of thinking this is a strange one time freak of nature random event that happened or something that couldn’t have happened and awaiting an alternative explanation to dismiss their encounter of the resurrected Jesus.
3. There are some language that can be better worded in the third paragraph in my opinion. I don’t think the resurrection gave us the New Testament writers, I think that’s God who gave us the human New Testament writers. He does note there is a certain priority of the resurrection before the New Testament but he’s unclear and equivocating what that priority is specifically. Of course the New Testament was humanly written after the resurrection so one can say there is a temporal priority of the resurrection of Jesus Christ and then the New Testament follows. But the OP seems to forget that the Bible also consists of the Old Testament that was prior to the resurrection. It seems an ongoing theme that the OP forgets the Old Testament is a major part of the Bible (in fact the Old Testament is larger than the New Testament in terms of amount of books and words!). Also the New Testament following the resurrection temporally doesn’t mean that the resurrection is more important than the New Testament for it also shows a historical fact like the resurrection can’t be understood only by itself, and the bare fact of a historical event we should not draw implications of it without God’s explanation of HIS interpretation and HIS implications of the resurrection both BEFORE and AFTER. the resurrection. Furthermore a temporal priority of the resurrection shouldn’t be equivocated with other priorities such as epistemically which is of first importance. It seems from 1 John 1, 1 Corinthians 15, etc, the NT writers themselves place Scripture in the highest epistemic priority than even the human experiences of knowing the resurrection, transfiguration, etc (this should not be extapoloated to mean empirical experience is not important, but that we shouldn’t be reductionistic to think empirical experience should be uninformed by Scripture).
As much as I hear evidentialists say we need both evidences and Scripture I think posts from evidentialists like the ones above show that’s not always true their true priority of having both being what they are themselves (especially Scripture= Scripture). I think a Van Tillian apologetics with a presuppositionalists approach towards historicity that is conscious of philosophy of evidence and the worldview shaping one’s philosphy of evidence is the way to go.
Thanks for the morning insight! Very well said.
Blessings as we approach celebrating Resurrection Sunday.
Thank you for the enlightening response, Jim! It makes me say after, in Filipino, “Oo nga no!” Blessings to you and your family!
I imagine that means “oh no!” Right?
Nope; too far. There is no direct translation but it is in between the ecpressions of “yer right” to “it figures.”
Reblogged this on Talmidimblogging.
Excellent with noting OT expectation of the Resurrection. So important for people to read the other 68% of the Bible! Sent my PowerPoint to you!
Thanks for sharing the percentage! I was just asking how much percentage of the Bible is OT! Will check the PowerPoint and will be ready for that today! Praying!!!
A couple of years ago I would have had ZERO clues regarding this discussion. Thanks to you I can follow along “somewhat.”
Thanks for reading this brother, I know you went out of your way to read Dr Lisle’s book on Presuppositional Apologetics which I am eternally grateful that you did! How is your shift going? Had a busy 24 hours with ministering to people…from someone wondering about keeping a baby, questions about Isaiah 53 in the Hebrew, discussion about apologetics methodology, philosophy with the correspondence theory of truth, Messianic prophecies and this post which I was responding to someone!
Thanks, brother! I’m very grateful for your recommendation of Dr. Lisle’s book! You’re a busy pastor as usual! Yesterday was very busy as Fridays and Saturdays usually are. Sundays are muck slower. Have a blessed Resurrection Day! We have much to be grateful for!
Well said, Jim. I wasn’t very familiar with presuppositial apologetics before. You explain your position very well. God’s revelation to us in Scripture comes before the historical events. He said He would do nothing before telling the prophets (Amos 3:7). As you said, the NT writers’ whole argument was to show Jesus as Messiah and the resurrection from the OT Scriptures. Even the book of Revelation has almost 300 allusions to OT Scripture (in 404 verses!)
“3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins, ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES.” (1 Cor.15:3 caps mine, of course).
Spell-check: *Presuppositional*
Well stated! Basically I want to say the Word of God’s prophecy shouldn’t be discounted as having evidential value in one’s apologetics and also its the interpretative worldview grid that makes sense of the resurrection with what Jesus is doing. Your comment further reinforce and fortify the point made in this post, thanks for sharing with me about the 300 allusions to the OT in revelation which I never knew before though the vast amount of OT alusions is strikingly obvious in that book. How is your day going Mel?
Amen. Good insight.
Thanks! Also I’m glad to hear you are with family for a while Maw Maw!
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I really don’t follow these different Apologetics and those types of conversations. But this was interesting
This makes a lot of sense once you break it down what is the problem
This is excellent, wow. Thank you for sharing.
Have a blessed Resurrection Sunday .
You’re welcome! How did your Resurrection Sunday go?
Was a blessed day. Hope yours was too.
Thank you Pastor Jim. This discussion complements the Easter message at my church. Indeed, the Resurrection really happened . . . the tomb was found empty, none of Jesus’ enemies could produce His body, hundreds witnessed the Resurrected Lord, and Jesus’ disciples were transformed. Amen!
Evidentialists love to brag that they don’t need the Bible. Get out of here.
Does seem many Classical Apologists neglect the Old Testament. I mean they go from philosophical arguments for God, then resurrection and then New Testament. But God has spoken in the Old Testament!
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I didn’t see anything wrong with this until I read your response