For today’s post we will tackle the question the Skeptic Annotated Bible asked: Was Noah a just and perfect man?
Here are the answers which the skeptic believes indicate a Bible contradiction:
Yes.
“These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.” (Genesis 6:9)
No, he got drunk and cursed his grandson (and all of his descendants) with slavery because his son saw him drunk and naked.
“Then Noah began [a]farming and planted a vineyard. 21 He drank some of the wine and became drunk, and uncovered himself inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it on both their shoulders and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were [b]turned away, so that they did not see their father’s nakedness. 24 When Noah awoke from his wine, he knew what his youngest son had done to him. 25 So he said, “Cursed be Canaan; [c]A servant of servants He shall be to his brothers.”” (Genesis 9:20-25)
(All Scriptural quotation comes from the New American Standard Bible)
Here’s a closer look at whether or not there is a contradiction:
- When dealing with skeptics’ claim of Bible contradictions it seems one can never be reminded enough of what exactly is a contradiction. A contradiction occurs when two or more claims conflict with one another so that they cannot simultaneously be true in the same sense and at the same time. To put it another way, a Bible contradiction exists when there are claims within the Bible that are mutually exclusive in the same sense and at the same time.
- One should be skeptical of whether this is a Bible contradiction given the Skeptic Annotated Bible’s track record of inaccurately handling the Bible. See the many examples of their error which we have responded to in this post: Collection of Posts Responding to Bible Contradictions. Of course that does not take away the need to respond to this claim of a contradiction, which is what the remainder of this post will do. But this observation should caution us to slow down and look more closely at the passages cited by the Skeptic Annotated Bible to see if they interpreted the passages properly to support their conclusion that it is a Bible contradiction.
- The skeptic tries to pit Genesis 6:9 as affirming the claim “Noah was a just and perfect man” against Genesis 9:20-25 as affirming “Noah was not a just and perfect man.”
- Even based upon the skeptics’ misinterpretation of both Genesis 6:9 and Genesis 9:20-25 we see there is not a contradiction: Genesis 6:9 and Genesis 9:20-25 are different time. Genesis 6:9 is before the flood while Genesis 9:20-25 is after the flood. So the description of Noah in a positive fashion in Genesis 6:9 while Genesis 9:20-25 presents a negative report about Noah doesn’t contradict when we understand they weren’t happening at the same time.
- I think the skeptic misinterpreted Genesis 6:9.
- The NASB does not say “perfect.” It says “blameless.” The Hebrew word is used in Judges 10:13 and translated as “whole” in reference to a whole complete day when the son stood still. It is not so much a “perfect” day that is the point in Judges 10:13 but a “complete” day. Likewise the term is often used in the Law to say to present as sacrificice animals that are “without blemish” but I take it here as being “whole” is how they are “without blemish.” So the verse in Genesis 9:6 I see is referring to the truth that Noah was a wholistic moral believer; every sphere of his life was for God. One can be this way and not always be moral or perfect.
- Genesis 6:9 does call Noah “righteous.” But I don’t think this is self-righteousness of Moses in view but rather God’s grace is the basis for his righteousness. The previous verse, Genesis 9:8, states “But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.” “Favor” can be translated as grace. I think here in Genesis 6:8-9 the seed form that later would be developed as God’s grace is why we are declared righteous. This is further explained later in Genesis with Abraham being “credited” as righteous by God in Genesis 15:6: “Then he believed in the Lord; and He credited it to him as righteousness.” The word for righteous is the same as found in Genesis 6:9. But note here in Genesis 15:6 the order: first Abraham believed and then God credited Him as righteous. In the same way Genesis 6:9 might not be fully developed with the doctrines of grace and salvation but here its enough to see the order of grace from God and then Noah is righteous. And since this is a righteousness that comes from God then it doesn’t conflict nor contradict with Genesis 9:20-25 with the description of Noah falling short especially since later theology with Genesis and beyond teaches a credited righteousness from God through faith. A credited righteousness from God can be the case while practically believers do sin.
- I also think the skeptic misinterpreted Genesis 9:20-25.
- There’s already no contradiction as a result of the reasoning in point 5. But I want to clear a misunderstanding.
- Genesis 9:20-25 does record Noah’s sin of being drunk.
- However Noah when he awoke was not just merely upset and cursed his future grandson out of drunker anger; rather there’s a prophecy of what will happen in the future with the descendants of his three sons (see the rest of Genesis 9, from Genesis 9:25-27). Note there’s also a Messianic prophecy in verse 26 where Noah blessed God through the line of Shem, anticipating the Messiah Jesus. So this prediction about his descendants isn’t just out of anger but charts the course of human history.
- While this is prophecy before it happen nevertheless it is after Canaan’s sins would God judge them on the basis of their sins. This isn’t just a sinful angry outburst by Noah.
- There is no contradiction here. Seems the skeptic needs to learn of How to Handle Bible Contradictions.
- We shouldn’t miss that worldviews are at play even with the skeptic’s objection to Christianity. The worldview of the author of the Skeptic Annotated Bible actually doesn’t even allow for such a thing as the law of non-contradiction to be meaningful and intelligible. In other words for him to try to disprove the Bible by pointing out that there’s a Bible contradiction doesn’t even make sense within his own worldview. Check out our post “Skeptic Annotated Bible Author’s Self-Defeating Worldview.”
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Having just recently read and written about Noah, one of my heroes of the faith, I was keen to read this post today. The skeptic’s attack in this case is completely wrong, especially in reference to the Hebrew translation of “blameless.” Thank you for faithfully tackling these attacks on God’s Word Jim, may He bless you brother.
You are welcome Alan and thank you for reading this. Alan: thanks for praying for our church retreat I really did appreciated that!!!
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Good point: The events occurred at a different time.
Furthermore, the skeptic, not acknowledging God, has no ground on which to judge what is moral behavior.
Love your comment with the two punch! First exegetical observation from the text then a worldview critique to bear! Thanks brother!
Great response as usual but really loved the inclusion of ““Favor” can be translated as grace. I think here in Genesis 6:8-9 the seed form that later would be developed as God’s grace is why we are declared righteous.” 🙌🙌🙌✝️🛐 Thank you.
Excellent points countering the Skeptics’ faulty argument. I believe that God Himself rightly ‘cursed Caanan’ and recorded it to demonstrate the utter violation of dishonoring your parent. Moreover, here dishonoring a parent who’s anointed by God.
Right on brother! And write on…😃
Hey, Lisa! I hope it’s ok to ask a question! Why not curse Ham directly since he was the son who dishonored his father rather than Canaan his grandson? Ultimately, Ham’s disobedience was punished in that God knew the Canaanites would be one of Israel’s greatest threats to Yahweh worship and why they were to show the Canaanites no mercy in the conquest/entering the promised land.
Hi Mandy! Not sure if you answered your own question here (I think so!) Or if you’re looking for my thoughts.
Maybe Ham’s punishment was to suffer with a dishonorable son like Noah had. I can imagine that Ham’s transgression was not a fluke but sinfulness. Could he really raise a righteous son if he wasn’t one himself? God exposed Ham’s sin to the world and let the sin of Canaan come to fruition.
Could it be similar to David’s punishment for adultery and murder? “The sword will never leave your house”. His sons suffered terrible fates.
Well, those are my thoughts! ❤
I was curious for your thoughts! Ham also had three other sons: Cush, Egypt and Put. Praise God there will be a day when all those who call on the name of Jesus in faith will be saved from every nation, tribe and tongue.
Anen sister, what a day that will be!
Agreed! I think the rebellious spirit of Ham continued with his descendants and God is letting Ham know this is not going to end well. Sobering isn’t it?
Yes, very!
Ham just saw the WHOLE world demolished, everyone he knew and grew up with annihilated but he didn’t fear sinning.
I think Ham gets a raw deal in this. For centuries the US included justified slavery of blacks because of Ham and the curse on Canaan. Not excusing sin, but what happens throughout history needs to be included then in this discussion when we paint with a broad brush.
Hey, Jimmy! I agree with your rendering of blameless as whole. The skeptic is completely unqualified to discuss the events of Genesis 9. You are right that Genesis 9 is a prophecy which “charts the course of human history.” There’s a lot that can be said about Canaan, but as you say, Noah did not utter this prophecy in anger. Thank you for refuting this noncontradiction.
Thanks sister for your input!!! Genesis is such an amazing book, concerning how much it was forth telling things beyond its time period. I heard a helicopter crashed into a church in your state. Hope it isn’t any churches that you know? If you can pray for my studies to be done for tonight, I’m slow with Hebrew!!!
Thanks for alerting me to this! This is outside Philly. Praise God no one was hurt! I will pray for your studies!!
Thanks for this thorough rebuttal of Steve/Stephen Wells’ alleged contradiction. Your analysis is an excellent example of rightly dividing the Word of Truth. This brings to mind that pseudo-Christian, works-righteousness sects will read Genesis 6:9 and other such texts and interpret them to mean people can and do become righteous through their obedience.
That is crazy that there any group that can use Genesis 6:9 out of context like that! I wonder if Steve Wells learned about this one from a false theological group as he added this one as his latest, it was added sometime last week. This guy is still going with his attack on the Bible! I can’t believe it. I’m praying for his conversion to Christ in hopes he repent for I can’t imagine the judgment he faces…
How is your day so far? Do you feel you recovers from the crazy weekend???
Personally denying God is one thing, but actively campaigning against Him is another.
RE: day
Thanks brother! not to go into great detail, but yesterday I woke up to our 14YO dog staggering around like a drunken sailor. We took her to the vet who thinks it’s probably a brain tumor. She put her on steroids to help decrease the symptoms, but she likely won’t have long before we’ll have to have her euthanized. Snowblowed the driveway earlier and R&R-ing with the dog on the couch.
I imagine you’re not fully rested up yet after your retreat?
Thanks for the great refutation. Love the idea about grace. We all need that.
Blessings.
Interesting discussion! One has to be thoughtful in using certain words and understanding their meanings. I appreciate how this post focuses on a few.
Excellent.
Thanks Maw Maw. Hope your week is going well so far??
I missed reading these Bible contradiction posts.
Great work refuting this one. I found point 3 and 4 in the last part of the post very interesting.
How are you Crissy????? Wow so glad to hear from you again!!!! How are you???
Hi brother Jim…. By the grace of God I am doing much better now. Sure missed my WordPress family.
Hope you , your family and your ministry are all doing well.
Genesis 6:8 explains a lot; also your careful look at the word blameless.
Interesting post! I am going to read it again.
Thanks for reading it how is your day going sister??
Very well! 😃
Good post. It seems like “positional” righteousness vs. “experiential” is what the skeptic misunderstands.
Good point you made here! That’s very helpful brother! The positional versus practical righteousness distinction is helpful for this issue the skeptics raised. I appreciate your input very much brother!!
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