Unity is important. There are Bible verses that speaks on the topic of unity: Psalm 133:1, Philippians 2;2 and 1 Peter 3:8. 1 Corinthians 1:10 also talks about not having division. And in an area like apologetics there’s always the danger of disunity since the nature of apologetics is polemical and sometimes people’s sinful nature with fighting and arguments comes out, and the root of sinful quarrelsome attitude (versus apologetics in a gentle and respectful matter) is pride.
So in this post I want to focus on Unity among a Diversity of Presuppositional Apologists (taught by Cornelius Van Til), though I think there’s implications of how we have unity among other school of apologetics too (and Christians in general).
- I noticed that some Presuppositionalists are much more skilled with philosophy more than others. I’m amaze at how some are very good with logical syllogism, analytic philosophy and logical symbols, etc. While Presuppositional Apologetics’ stress the role of the self-attesting Bible and also a Biblical worldview with one’s apologetics still these guys can sharpen what we are trying to say and argue for and argue against. Now I’m not one of these guys. I find it helpful in terms of unity to learn from them. What they are doing actually challenge me to learn more about formal logic and while I haven’t done a deep dive on a logic textbook yet I pray ahead of time that I will do so. Speaking of prayer I also pray for these guys to continue to grow in their philosophical skills and yet remain faithful to God in what they are doing. I also let them know I am learning from them.
- Some presuppositional apologists are quite experts with the Bible. Here I think I fall into this category more. But even here there’s diversity. Some are exegetes with the biblical languages. Some are into Biblical theology. And I benefit from others with this bent since there’s a mutual iron sharpening iron and also I learn from them there’s still so much more to learn about the Scriptures! That’s encouraging.
- There’s also those who are more bent on systematic theology. They’ve read systematic theologians like Bavinck, Vos, Berkhof, etc., and are good at thinking in theological categories and distinctions. I think these guys are important and recent controversies show that its important to be clear and precise with issues like the Trinity, Divine Simplicity, and Trinitarian operations, etc. (I do think there are recent slanders about Presuppositionalists not believing in historic Christian faith that I and others have constantly refuted time and time again on social media). So I appreciate these guys.
- There’s been an increase of people asking how does Presuppositional Apologetics refute false worldviews and other religion, since so much of Van Til, Bahnsen, etc., talks about responding to atheism. I appreciate guys in other countries who have written and taught on Presuppositional Apologetics refuting other unbelieving worldviews like Neo-Hinduism, Islam, Jehoavh’s Witness, etc. There will be more need for these guys with counter-cults, etc. I also pray for more of these guys to come along in the years to come.
- There’s also those who have quite a presence on Youtube and video format. I appreciate these individuals as many will have their first encounter about Presuppositional Apologetics from videos. I personally have been cautious in the past with being on video just so I don’t have problems going overseas, though I have thought about doing this, so I am glad there’s guys doing this. And I appreciate these guys doing it whether interviewing professors, engaging in debates, or discussions on related topics.
- Also a big shout-out to the “everyday Joe” and “every day Jane” who are lay people and not pastors, theologians or professors but apply it “to the streets” if you will. I love seeing people learning and introducing what they learn to others and help answer questions others might have. That’s so encouraging. People like that remind me that its not just about how smart and how deep we can get, but how faithful and also to apply what we learn. They help me a lot more than they realize!
A big part of unity would be praying and encouraging these diverse individuals. But what drives praying and encouraging would have to be love. Pray for love. Then go love the believers.
Thanks for this “high level” view of P-SA! I’ve learned a lot from your posts about presuppositional apologetics and have used the information in witnessing to non-believers. People demand justice and desire a degree of “morality” and ethical behavior in their social spheres, especially when it comes to how they’re treated, but that’s all nonsense if we’re chemical accidents.
Well stated! If we are nothing more than rearranged Stardust’s in a carbon biological bag in a world without purpose then ethics and anything prescriptive don’t make sense. I am forever happy that you read Dr Lisle! How is your day so far???
Yup, Dr. Lisle’s book was an excellent intro!
RE: day
Thanks! Grocery shopped for the weekend and now self-assigned to couch duty until lights out. I’m getting through a Polish-American short story fiction book. Good but a bit of a downer.
How is your Thursday going?
It comes down to love
I agree.
I am glad you shared earlier that the doctors said you are in good shape for the shape that you are in, praise God!!! God bless you Maw Maw and thanks for all the love on support on our FB page!
I love you, MY Grand. He keeps my heart beating.
Thanks for your insight on this most important topic. God has been speaking to me on the importance of unity.
It is only when we are united that the world sees Jesus. “The glory which You have given Me I also have given to them, so that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and You loved them, just as You loved Me.”
Blessings from mighty King Jesus!
And above all, pray for love. Amen.
And above all, pray for love. Amen.
Amen: pray for love. I do believe God can grow us in being more loving when we pray to Him about it amen? I seen it in my own life!!!
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I didn’t realize there were all these distinct perspectives on presuppositional apologetics.
Whoah. I often observe this. Thanks for simplifying the diversity here. I wonder where I would put myself. 🙂
You mentioned about the Divine Simplicity. What are your thoughts with James White’s critique of Dolezal and the classical DDS?
I think you are the Bible/systematic Theology leaning guys! I think Dr. White does actually hold to DDS though some people somehow think he doesn’t; I think Dr. White can use the light and light being refracted to show colors as a good analogy of Divine Simplicity is the light, but refracted we see other attributes; what do you think?
I watched his recent video (https://youtu.be/fiouMx4sH0I) on this where he says that DDS is forced upon Scripture and he disagreed with Dolezal (All that is in God, cp. 4) that “There is no distinction in Him between His act of existence and essence, between His substance and attributes, or between His nature and His intrinsic activity.”
I may have misunderstood it. It’s 16-min video. He actually quoted Vos, Reformed Dogmatics Vol 1 Chapter 2 Question 12:
12. May we also say that God’s attributes are not distinguished from one another?
This is extremely risky. We may be content to say that all God’s attributes are related most closely to each other and penetrate each other in the most intimate unity. However, this is in no way to say that they are to be identified with each other. Also in God, for example, love and righteousness are not the same, although they function together perfectly in complete harmony. We may not let everything intermingle in a pantheistic way because that would be the end of our objective knowledge of God.
On the recommendation of another (a seminary grad) years ago, I picked up Oliver Crisp’s Divinity and Humanity, a book on apologetics, from an ‘analytical theology’ perspective, focusing primarily on Christology. In the footnotes were references to a number of Christian philosophers, prompting me to pick up works by Thomas V. Morris (The Logic of God Incarnate), Richard Swinburne, and C. Stephen Evans. This really honed my apologetics, and forced me to think more critically, logically.
I have Oliver Crisp’s book on Christology which I need to read! Actually I gotta read these analytic guys!!
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This is a helpful distinction. As brother Jim says, I may be a Bible/systematic Theology leaning guy. What about you?
This was quite interesting to read about.
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Great post, Jim!
Thanks! Blessings to you brother
I love this because I see this in the community!