You ever hear people, when they are uncomfortable with the claims of Christianity, asserts that nobody knows the truth?
I am reading slowly a book by Cornelius Van Til a theologian, apologist and philosopher and I thought he made some good observations of the assumptions behind this assertion.
ON page 82-83 of Cornelius Van Til’s book The Doctrine of Scripture he writes
As a matter of fact, of course, the one who asserts that nobody knows truth is thereby virtually asserting that he who claims to know the truth is wrong in thinking so. To say that statements by biblical writers are simply to be taken as data along with other data is to assume that he who makes such a statement knows that such biblical statements cannot be statements made by a God who controls and knows all things. The inductive method used by Beegle implies not only an open universe in which all minds, divine and human, are surrounded by impenetrable mystery but also at the same time, a universe in which the human mind knows that the divine mind must work under the same limitations as does the human mind. And in order to make such a statement the human mind must be beforehand with the divine mind in the claim as to what can and what cannot be known by any mind.
Before I reflect on Van Til’s observation I must point out there’s the obvious problem that the one assert that nobody knows the truth assume that assertion is true; so truth itself is accessible; so it is self-refuting. The person also thinks he himself as a knower knows the truth of that claim too, again it is self-refuting espistemologically.
Van Til notes there’s the observation that some who make this assertion assumes everyone who claim to know the truth is automatically wrong.
But more deeply it assumes too that God cannot know all things.
From this there’s the collorary assumption that “the human mind knows that the divine mind must work under the same limitations as does the human mind.” Talk about putting God in a box! And if one were to think they *know the limitation of God and yet also assert no one knows the truth, the assertion that we cannot know truth is a self-defeater to any claims about the limitation of God (be it His knowledge, Power, etc).
But the part of what Van Til said that really stood out to me is his observation of the assumption that “in order to make such a statement the human mind must be beforehand with the divine mind in the claim as to what can and what cannot be known by any mind.” Now we see the role of the human mind being elevated beyond what is proper. It is not our place to adjudicate what God can and cannot know. This kind of thinking assume man’s mind can legislate the world with other minds, even the mind of the Creator. It is the same lie in the Garden of Eden from Satan that you shall be as God. Why I appreciate Van Til here is that he doesn’t just want us to note the philosophical absurdity of those claiming that nobody knows the truth, but also the spiritual problems behind such an assertion.
How we need to preach the Gospel so minds can truly be regenerate and be able to think biblically and after God’s thoughts.
If one asserts that no one knows the truth, how can they truthfully make such a statement. If they don’t know truth perhaps they are just liars! Let God be true! 😊
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Of course the only real truth is God’s truth. The problem is we are so far removed from God’s truth we have no idea what is truth. And we may be in total shock when we find out.
You are exactly right. I hope you are doing well sister
“How we need to preach the Gospel so minds can truly be regenerate and be able to think biblically and after God’s thoughts.”
Amen brother!!!
Indeed amen to your amen! How are you?
Doing well. It has been raining here this week. Nice and ⛅️ and cool but should heat up this weekend. Had the day off so slept in. Time to get busy and get things done. 😀 I hope you and your family have a great weekend brother.
I think van Til’s observations can be stated thusly:
Any person X claiming “nobody knows ______________” (in an absolute sense, not as hyperbole) is ridiculously making an implicit claim of omniscience. In other words, it’s an assertion of X that not only does X not know, but X knows that absolutely no one else knows ______________. So, we could argue X is making a Divine claim of possessing omniscience.
If X is an atheist, then X made a self-Deific claim, thereby self-refuting atheism.
If X is a theist, then X just intellectually usurped the place of X’s own Deity and/or has admitted that his/her Deity lacks omniscience—a small god indeed!
YOu got a good point; to make such global claim is making someone that is assuming omniscience.
This is it: “The person also thinks he himself as a knower knows the truth of that claim too, again it is self-refuting espistemologically.”
Shalom!
Indeed! Good point highlighting that from the post with the self-refutation! Thanks for your love and support Michael!
Yes, claiming no one knows the truth is self-refuting. People are still asking rhetorically, “What is truth,” just like Pontius Pilate.
Indeed and so true with your last sentence. I thought I commented on your post today and realized I didn’t press enter on my laptop before leaving home earlier. How’s the weather where you are at? I’m enjoying warmer weather here!!
59F and sunny in ROC today and I mowed half the backyard. Glad you’re getting some SoCal heat!
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No one in normal circumstances would even entertain this is a contradiction
Yep it’s a big miss from the skeptic thanks for reading this! How did you find this blog post?
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So this disillusional person makes an assertion or a knowledge claim that there is no knowledge. How does he/she KNOWS it?
Exactly! TY for reading this!
Good point that such claims that no one can know the truth are self-refuting.
Indeed thanks!