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One of the comments in my previous post “” had a comment from “Javier” that tried to argue against the Trinity:

History and Archeology show that the Trinity comes from the false religion. You can find images and sculptures of trinitarian gods from Babylon and Egypt in museums and ancient churches. The Trinity had its origin and development by men in the councils of Nicaea (325 CE) and Constantinople (381 CE), not in the Bible.

Here’s my reply:

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Last month I posted Who Is God? Trinity Debate: Dr. James White vs Bro. Joe Ventilacion.  This was a debate between Christian apologist James White and a defender of the cult Iglesia ni Cristo.

Iglesia ni Cristo denies the deity of Christ.  In the comment section of my post an individual name Alfeo Piedad argued against the divinity of Christ. In this post I want address this specific argument:

First , John 4:24 says God is spirit and a spirit does not have a human body….1 Timothy 1:17 , praises God saying ,” …immortal, invisible ,the only God …if God has a physical body he could not be in all places at once. How can God then built a church and purchased it with His blood when the true God is invisible., is a spirit and has no flesh and blood.

John 4:24 states “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

1 Timothy 1:17 states “Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Does the fact that Jesus has a human body mean that Jesus was not Divine?  I don’t think so let me explain.

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Last month I posted Who Is God? Trinity Debate: Dr. James White vs Bro. Joe Ventilacion.  This was a debate between Christian apologist James White and a defender of the cult Iglesia ni Cristo.

Iglesia ni Cristo denies the deity of Christ.  In the comment section of my post someone introduced some arguments and verses against the divinity of Christ. In this post I want address one of the commentator’s argument:

God dies not get tired Isa40:28 . Christ got tired ,John 4:6 .

Isaiah 40:28 states “Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth Does not become weary or tired. His understanding is inscrutable.

John 4:6 states “and Jacob’s well was there. So Jesus, being wearied from His journey, was sitting thus by the well. It was about the sixth hour.

Does the fact that Jesus got tired meant that Jesus was not Divine?  I don’t think so let me explain.

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This is the teaching of the cult, Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC). All 26 points are contrary to the teaching of the Holy Bible. This is to highlight the 26 key points of INC and not an endorsement.

The 26 points contrary to Scripture:

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In our post “” someone left two comments that I thought was worth responding to.  In this post I want to specifically respond to two sentences which the gentleman stated:

But still the voluminous text on a ‘unitarian’ GOD as presented by JV are more convincing.”

If Jesus Christ has existed from the begiining His name was never mentioned , its only in the NT that He appeared.”

Here’s my brief reply:

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Last Saturday I posted Who Is God? Trinity Debate: Dr. James White vs Bro. Joe Ventilacion.  This was a debate between Christian apologist James White and a Joe Ventilacion defender of the cult Iglesia ni Cristo.  I thought Dr. James White did a good job.  I followed up that post with my own critique of one of Joe Ventilacion’s argument titled “Argument against the Trinity? Joe Ventilacion on the death of Christ.”  In this post I want to look at another of Mr. Ventilacion’s argument focusing on the Greek word Θεόν.

Ventilacion said:

So we cornered him on the Θεόν because he cannot deny that he had a book written about the Θεόν.  He said of the Θεόν that the Θεόν is describing the Almighty God, the Yahweh the Creator of all things.

(Minute 51:28 onwards)

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What did Dr. James White say about the Θεόν? He said that the Θεόν the Almighty God, the Yahweh, the Creator of all things.  So if John 1:1 the Θεόν the Almighty God where do you place the  Logos?  Where would you put the Logos?  The Logos is not the Almighty God.

(Minute 52:39 onwards)

Here’s my thoughts.

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Yesterday I posted Who Is God? Trinity Debate: Dr. James White vs Bro. Joe Ventilacion.  This was a debate between Christian apologist James White and a defender of the cult Iglesia ni Cristo.  Iglesia ni Cristo denies the deity of Christ.

I want to address one of the arguments that Joe Ventilacion threw out there during his opening presentation for his anti-Trinitarian position.  He bases his argument from 1 Timothy 1:17 which states:

Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

From this verse’s statement that God is immortal this is what Ventilacion argues around the 59:30 minute mark:

When Christ died, did God die?  And if he were to say that the second person only died but not the first and third persons, so for three days your Trinity is incomplete!  Because two are alive and one is dead.  So how would you call that?  How would you call that?  Is it a Trinity or is it a ‘Two-inity?’  It’s up to you to make that decision.  But he has an incomplete God for the three days that Jesus died.  Why did Jesus die?  Because Jesus is not the God of the Bible.

Despite Joe Ventilacion’s smirk and laughter from the audience from Iglesia ni Cristo members in the audience to the question of “When Christ died, did God die?” it is not as strong of an argument against the Trinity as they think it is.

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